Salvation and Belief

Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions' started by muhammad_isa, Jul 17, 2019.

  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Active Member

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    In he King James version of the Bible the text reads:
    • For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
    • and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    The wiki article on this verse says:
    Happy with that? :)
     
  2. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Active Member

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    Oh well .. I'm sorry that I can't grasp what you are talking about .. thanks for the discourse :)

    A bit like Brexit.
    EU: how can we ensure free-trade over the Irish Border without the backstop?
    Boris: well, we won't be making any customs checks .. will you?
    EU: If we have no agreement, then we have no choice
    ......that's why we don't want a no-deal
    Boris: well remove the backstop then
    EU: until we have sorted out a trade agreement, we can't do that

    :mad:
     
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  3. "Judge not lest ye be judged" NT Gospels.

    The best way is not difficult
    It only excludes picking and choosing
    Once you stop loving and hating
    It will enlighten itself.


    (First lines of "Hsin Hsin Ming" or "Faith in Mind")

    Some would see both of the above quotes as belonging to the same family tree. One, perhaps "personal", the second "philosophical".

    One, the direct "Word of God", the second mere opinion.

    I believe the two blend.

    (If the Moderators wish to move this, please do. I feel it is relevant to this thread)
     
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  4. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Active Member

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    I'm sure they do.
    I don't see what that has got to do with grace..
    As the EU would say, I call it cherry-picking. :)

    I can assure you that I'm not.
    My mastery of language is obviously not as good as yours .. or perhaps you are using the term "grace" in a specific way.

    From your thread on "grace":
    Makes no sense to me.
    ..so grace means G-d? G-d is reality? Whose reality?

    Wait a moment .. G-d is the Most Gracious..
    Is that what you refer to?

    I still don't see how somebody can rely on the "grace of G-d", but follow doctrine that is unreliable or not even claiming to be from G-d.
    This is where you and I differ. You equate G-d with reality/nature, rather than the author (i.e. Creator) of what we see around us. Is that where my confusion arises? Perhaps..
     
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  5. EDIT:-I shall open a new thread on another section of the forum.
     
  6. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Active Member

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    No warranty, just trial and error

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  7. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Active Member

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    Yes, I indeed did have a Christian upbringing. My mother passed away recently and I buried her in the local churchyard. I was a choir boy in an Anglican church in Bournemouth, and went to the local grammar school. More luck than anything else.
    RE was of good quality, but different than today .. we called it Divinity. It was purely about the Christian Bible.

    ..so there you have it :)
     
  8. I do!

    :)
     

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