"Word of God" v Opinion

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by CobblersApprentice, Jul 26, 2019.

  1. Well, here we part company......:)


    It is a familiar opinion within the Buddhist fraternity - and others - that prior to the Great Journey of the Mahayana, we must prepare ourselves by the "smaller journey", more often associated with what could be termed "moral rectitude" and "obedience".

    This is what the Pure Land/Shin Buddhist "Amida Looking Back" is all about. She stands, hands in the "teaching" mudra, calling the "faithful"," yet She turns her head, looking back, her first thought for those who, for whatever reason, do not or cannot come.

    Am I judgemental? Yes, instinctively so. I am spiteful, instinctively so. Do I remember slights against me? Yes, I have the memory of an elephant in that regard. I give thanks to Amida, Reality-as-is, that turns such "ice" into the "waters of enlightenment". Give thanks that, in Christian terms, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is perfected in weakness." (Corinthians, NT)

    "Grace, if thou repent, thou shalt not lack. Yet who shall give ye that grace to begin?" (John Donne)
     
  2. But fear not! As posted before, the profound words of Shinran:- "Even the good person will enter the Pure Land, how much more the person of evil."

    Just Shinran's opinion no doubt, yet let's face it, all it would need is some Authority to declare it "God's Word" and who knows, in a 1000 years time perhaps we could be having Crusades and Inquisitions over its precise meaning.
     
  3. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    It is my opinion that the word being of G!d is an opinion.

    We know, (er some of us believe) that Moses did not act a a secretary for G!d writing the Pentateuch, but that it was written by a number of sources.

    Divinely inspired is another discussion, we each hold the authors of our belief were called so.
     
  4. We are awaiting an invasion by the grandchildren et al, but I just have time........good distinction between "authorised word of G!d" and "inspiration (divine)" . What illuminates the distinction (IMO) is the response of Yun-men when asked, "What are the teachings of an entire lifetime" and answered, "An appropriate statement". Appropriate in any one moment of radical freedom. Once the moment passes, any statement can congeal, becoming perhaps a "word of God" (or not) dependant upon opinion.
     
  5. muhammad_isa

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    ..so it doesn't matter why we follow a spiritual source?
    It doesn't matter what our intention is?

    As an example, if we give to charity, does it matter what our intention is?

    ..so Amida is the Logos that you referred to earlier? i.e.Amida is G-d?
     
  6. Why should it? Obviously, if our intention is to justify ourselves by seeking to achieve some sort of "pass mark" with our own particular opinion of Divinity, we might well find ourselves in trouble eventually.

    As far as "my own" G!d, given that - as you agree - G!d is wholly other and ultimately incomprehensible, what is really in any name?

    EDIT:- by the way, here are verses 11 and 12 of the Buddhist Dhammapada:-

    Those who mistake the unessential to be essential and the essential to be unessential, dwelling in wrong thoughts, never arrive at the essential

    Those who know the essential to be essential and the unessential to be unessential, dwelling in right thoughts, do arrive at the essential.

    Worth pondering.
     
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  7. I think I hear the patter (clatter!) of not so tiny feet........
     
  8. Bhaktajan II

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    This means you are an Atheist.

    I wonder if you disagree.

    If you believe what you posted ---then you are an Atheist.

    Yes, atheists too, can speak on spiritual concepts all they want.

    Hare Krishna,
    Bhaktajan
     
  9. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea An ordinary cup of tea

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    As the resident non-believer, no it doesn't.
    You do say some really silly things sometimes!
     
  10. Bhaktajan II

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    As you know, some Atheists along with all Atheists do not view God as a person.

    Otherwise, there are agnostics.

    Oh boy. Have the definitions now changed?

    In the word "definition" is contained the word definite.
     
  11. muhammad_isa

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    I see .. this seems counterintuitive to me.
    If our intention makes no difference, then what's to stop me following something just because I think it's "cool"? That has nothing to do with G-d, surely?

    Regards this "pass mark" thing that you keep bringing up, are you referring to G-d rewarding us for performing good deeds? Do you think that G-d shouldn't reward people?
    Remember, G-d is not a person "handing out sweeties" .. if you get a reward, it is due to your intention and correct belief.
    ..just like the force of gravity acts towards the earth!
     
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  12. So be it
     
  13. Bhaktajan II

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    This is the nucleus of Atheist concepts.

    If you are an Atheist you proclaim "GOD is not a person"

    That's is what is called atheism.
     
  14. Bhaktajan II

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    Ergo, the "Word of God" is whimsy...
    versus
    The Opinion dictated to the minions is Absolute [for as long as you survive the junta].
     
  15. Like virtually all the major Faiths, Pure Land Buddhism sees "salvation" as pure gift. Our life, in recognising this, becomes more an expression of gratitude, a passing on of the gift. Not a search for rewards.
     
  16. muhammad_isa

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    No .. you are mistaken.

    From wikipedia:
    It follows that an atheist is somebody who doesn't believe in deities :)
    I suppose it is natural to compare G-d with some sort of creature .. it's all about perspective.
    If you consider that everything we see around us is made by G-d, then how can G-d be physical or part of this universe?
     
  17. Bhaktajan II

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    Says who? Wikipedia.
     
  18. muhammad_isa

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    I get that .. it's all about motivation :)
     
  19. Bhaktajan II

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    I shall now correct your comprehension of the English idiom.

    "Atheism is contrasted with theism.
    Theism is the belief that at least one deity exists"


    Ergo, Atheism [non-theism] s the belief that NOT EVEN ONE deity exists.
     
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  20. Bhaktajan II

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    Yeah that's what I suspect. Your motivation.
     
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