what is good and evil?

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  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Active Member

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    Back to the same old question, eh .. WHY?
    Why have we been given life? Why do we have to be "tested"?
    Why .. why .. why? :)
     
  2. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    My opinion is, that it is to large parts a complicated "blame game" our psyches play. We like to pass the buck when it comes to blame, and attributing misfortune to some external agency, along with the blame for it, goes a long way to redeeming those parts of our selves that confuse taking responsibility with taking blame.
     
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  3. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    It's not a case of 'God allowing' as if God decides who does what to whom and when.

    Its the nature of Nature. We keep shifting these things onto God, when really it's just the way contingency works.

    It's a pretty poor God, imho, who has to inflict bad things in order that good might come of it.

    Personally I think this idea is a sentimentalism, a means of justification and an answer to the question 'why'.

    And, I've just seen Cino offered a better answer ...
     
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  4. KnowSelf

    KnowSelf Active Member

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    Why do people find comfort in misery? And why must we punish ourselves when the world does a very good job for us? True there is suffering all around us, however, a great deal of suffering is self-imposed or uneducated to the fact it is self who chooses to suffer.
     
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  5. Truthseeker9

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    Sorry, I'm having trouble following you.
     
  6. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    A willful rebellion against the light. Lucifer, the fallen one. To be evil reqiires a deliberate intention against the good?
     
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  7. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    If God is all and God is good, then the lack of God would indeed be the lack of good.

    But I think evil may require deliberate intention somehow, to 'kill' the good? I don't know. It's just speculation.

    "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do" Wiser heads than mine have debated it for millennia?

    The point is imo that true polar opposites, like fire and water, or electron/proton do not explain light and darkness -- where darkness is not the opposite of light but just the lack of light.

    But nor do darkness and light explain good and evil?

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    In criminal court, after considering mitigating circumstances, a judge every now and again will say to the accused: You are purely evil.
     
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  8. Truthseeker9

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    Ok, I understand now. I agree.
     
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  9. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Active Member

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    Wish for others what you wish for yourself.
    I suppose it could be argued that some people don't care if they are robbed or assaulted,
    but I find that dubious .. unless they are mad, of course.
    There is a fine line between evil and madness, I suppose..
     
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  10. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Although equanimity is a virtue in Judaism and some, like the Baal Shem Tova, emphasize it more than others, it is not the highest virtue in Judaism.

    Curious how you arrived at that determination.
     
  11. Beautiful

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    So it is a virtue, but not the highest virtue? Ok haha
     
  12. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Neither, I'm afraid, is it the highest virtue in Christianity.

    Temperance was regarded as one of the cardinal virtues in the ancient Greek world, and is universally regarded as a virtue per se. In Christian theology they are called the 'moral virtues' and can be acquired by practice and habit.

    The Theological Virtues — Faith (pistis), Hope (elpis) and Charity (agape) (cf 1 Corinthians 13:13) — in the Christian Tradition are the highest virtues, and highest of all is 'Charity' although the Greek term is agape which is a term almost unique to the New Testament and speaks of 'love' but in a way significantly different from 'eros' which defined most if not all 'mystery religions'.
     
  13. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    I thought Agape was as God's love for us? Well I guess that sounds charitable
     
  14. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    LOL, it's a two-way street.

    To say 'God is love' is not to say 'anything goes'
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    It is my favorite bar...if in reading scripture. If I can't replace the word G!d with love...I need to examine it as allegory or metaphysically...
     
  16. KnowSelf

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    Purity is not necessarily a precursor to what is good, pure evil also exists
     
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    Doesn't good also require intent?
     
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  18. Craz

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    Well, I hated God for a while until I realised I my theism had no basis, ( a born-again- atheist? :>) ).

    Nowadays, I don't hate anyone, but can unashamedly become angry at certain situations created by people.
     
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    People mess up more than God does
     

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