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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    did he? I'm not as well read as you, obviously, LOL. But I don't recall Jesus going to churches that much. Well he went to turn over the tables when he was older. And when he was younger his parents look for him, but whatever you said caused Ezekiel to come asking more questions.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    He taught in the temple a lot. When they arrested him he asked them why they had to come for him as a brigand when he taught them daily in the temple.

    Of course God is not only in the temple. But to me it is good to go sometimes to the temple that is vaulted and holy and built over long years with all the best skill, done for God.
     
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    That is the opposite for me. I don't think G!d has much use for stained glass, huge vaulted ceilings with frescos, giant steeples pointed to the sky. After all S(he) created heaven and earth and all the animals and humans... if I were a god, reverence to me would be taking care of the Earth not polluting it, taking care of the animals not extincting them, taking care of the people, things like peace on Earth, not capital punishment and borders and imprisonment. Rather than building edifices that can't even come close to competing with the beauty of a forest or waterfall why not spend that money to educate the poor, the Beatitudes come to mind
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Oh really? Now you are a creationist? When did this change happen to you, lol?
    Until that happens, we are just human beings with five limited natural human senses.
    These things are a direct result of overpoulation. So what would you suggest to do about that?
    But that means changing human nature, removing all envy and greed and lust for power and fixing it so that warlike people are no longer born on Earth?
    Agreed. But only because an innocent person may die in error. An incorrigbly evil killer doesn't get my sympathy ...
    Of course unscrupulous leaders exploit xenophobia.
    Because human beings are creative and like to make beautiful music and art, including architecture. Or we could all live in square grey Soviet style blocks of flats?
    Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

    Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot ... Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

    ... Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

    John 12:3-8
    https://biblehub.com/kjv/john/12.htm
    I think Christ was speaking to the individual, not trying to change the social structure. Imo. Others may think differently.
     
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    Yep.

    No-one ever accused Him of not fulfilling His obligations as a Jew, and His followers attended synagogue.

    Out of respect for the sanctity of the temple.
     
  6. KnowSelf

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    Please explain
     
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    Absolutely true, just thought I'd jump in on the conversation
     
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    Oh, wade in, all welcome! :D
     
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    I rather think they're for our benefit?

    Yeah ... but that doesn't exclude art and endeavour, surely?

    It's not in competition, though, to be fair ... chalk and cheese ...

    But yeah, the rich man who exalts himself while his neighbour goes hungry has some questions to answer.
     
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    How deep ?
     
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    You need arm floaties or a full vest? Or just wanna wade?
     
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    Walking?
     
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    Gospel of Matthew19:16 and Luke 18:18-30

    "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me"

    When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven"

    Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”

    Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”

    Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!”

    “Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

    The biblical figure Jesus is said to have lived a simple life. He is said to have encouraged his disciples "to take nothing for their journey except a staff—no bread, no bag, no money in their belts—but to wear sandals and not put on two tunics." ( “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”)

    Of course riches have been justified from the beginning, through various forms of argument, none of which I have found satisfactory or adjacent with the teachings, but I am open to new ones

    When the rich of the church are placed infront of a judge to justify their wealth this ocurrs:


    They have no rational defense for their selfishness.

    https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/parish-diary/what-would-christ-say-if-he-could-see-church-today

    I have heard that on one occasion, when the Blessed One was newly Self-awakened, he was staying at Uruvela on the bank of the Nerañjara River, at the foot of the Goatherd's Banyan Tree. Then, while he was alone and in seclusion, this line of thinking arose in his awareness: "This Dhamma that I have attained is deep, hard to see, hard to realize, peaceful, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. But this generation delights in attachment, is excited by attachment, enjoys attachment. For a generation delighting in attachment, excited by attachment, enjoying attachment, this/that conditionality and dependent co-arising are hard to see. This state, too, is hard to see: the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding. And if I were to teach the Dhamma and if others would not understand me, that would be tiresome for me, troublesome for me."

    ~~Ayacana Sutta: The Request
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    What a disgusting human being
     
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    Some real mental health issues on display in that video. It's a shame Jesus' teaching have been distorted into this and even worse...
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Guru business always an inviting gap for the unscrupulous to make a fast buck tax free, imo ...
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    https://www.kanyidaily.com/2019/11/...acle-money-inside-church-in-south-africa.html

    A Nigerian pastor has been reportedly arrested by police in South Africa for vomiting ‘miracle money’ in his church.

    According to Mwebantu.com, Prophet Andrew aka Seer 1 was arrested on Sunday in Polokwane, Limpopo following a service where he promised to give free miracle money.

    Prophet Seer 1, is likely to face charges of fraud and trickery as this is not the first time he would be presiding over a questionable miracle in South Africa and other African countries ...


    Here's a pastor talking to God via cell phone



    That is in Africa. The American prosperity preachers are just a bit more subtle in their con-man technique, but the principle is the same, imo.

    The amazing thing is people fall for it and give them money
     
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  20. wil

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    There isn't a denomination around that isn't infected with non Jesus like priests...

    No denomination can cast the first stone.
     
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