The Infinite All

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  1. I Am

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    In search of knowledge, the path led you on an adventure
    You've traveled far from us
    You cut yourselves off, severed from One
    Watching you break your own hearts over and over

    Your sorrows are deeply felt, as well as your joy
    There you are in all of your glorious moments, teeming with life

    You were not paying attention to time and you grew old
    Over and over, you did this for thousands of years

    We learned jealousy when you turned away

    Memories faded while the stories passed from many tongues
    The written words changed many hands

    A tremendous amount of pain has resulted from lack of understanding

    With stillness like the moon, All was patient
    Always watching you

    And We have learned an unconditional love

    A message to those who are in search of it:

    We exist in endless cycles; a rhythm of all matter, all life
    An atom, a heartbeat, the circulartory system, the water cycle, the tides, the Solar System...

    Existing in more multiverses, realities, and dimensions than you could ever imagine

    One is the All in a dizzying array of endless expansion

    From this expansion came an incredible energy that birthed stars
    Energy can neither be created nor destroyed;
    it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another

    Then, out of the dust of millions of forlorn stars, came you

    You came from One, the Infinite All

    "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Genesis 1:27

    All of your religions teach that "God" is somewhere out there, away from you

    The truth has been altered and everyone is confused

    "God" is within you because you are One
    And because you are a part of One, you have the power to look away

    You do not remember your power, your memories are almost smoke
    And through a hazy dream you glimpsed back
    You sense a familiarity with what you have learned
     
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    Not all, in him we live and breathe and have our being...

    I am, every time we say I am we are expressing our divinity.

    Look neither high nor low, S(he) is in our midst.

    Put the mind of Christ in your mind...
     
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  3. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    I don't know. People are pretty smart as individuals. I think people follow the social path of least resistance. What's the point of making waves and getting killed or whatever? But it doesn't mean they buy it.
     
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    Scripture is quite clear that while man in his original foundation enjoyed a communion with the Divine, he traded that for the illusion of his own divinity ...
     
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    The discussion begs the question: If man is inherently Divine, how can he suffer ignorance, error, doubt, etc.
     
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    Well, not the the Abrahamics, to be fair.

    Based on what evidence, though? It's a common accusation often made by those who're pushing their own particular idea of what the truth is — ie, if Scripture disagrees with me, it's been falsified ... ?
     
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    G!d doesn't?

    So his creation is perfect?
     
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    Co-Dependence can be tackled. The spiritual kind as well as the interpersonal one.
     
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    To learn to be human and everything it encompasses.
     
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    Referring to the perspective of jealous God from the old testament.
     
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    I'm not familiar with Abrahamics, I'll look into it. And not needing evidence as a number of religions teach that their particular path is the only true way, and there are many. It's confusing, finding your own path.
     
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    I.e., One desires to know what it is to fly, so there are birds (or bugs or whatever mode of capability). Further learns what it is to fall to the ground and die. None of it is good or bad, it is just experiences. To be human in all facets is another form of this Infinite Intelligence.
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Yes. Do you think God or The All can't have psychological issues?
     
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    Like any learning being, there will be issues to work out... learned what it means to be jealous because of us, then worked out what consequences of such feelings allowed. I think saying it like that (psychological issues) implies it's bad or God is imperfect, though it just... is. Not good or bad, I mean.

    Like a comet burning up across the galaxy. It's just an event, running its course.
     
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    LOL. No.

    LOL. No.

    It's in the nature of the finite and contingent, the diverse and the relative, that nothing can ever be perfect.
     
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    If you think about it, God created human and every other nature and everything those natures encompass.

    The idea that God suffers ignorance or a deficiency of knowledge is to not understand the nature of the Divine as spoken of in the Revealed traditions.

    In the words of Islam:
    "And indeed We have created man,
    and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops,
    and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein.” (Quran 50:16)

    In the mystical dimension, it's axiomatic that when we 'find' God, God is waiting there for us.

    I tend to think this is an anthropomorphism, determining the nature of God by what it it to be human.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    @I Am
    Very nice writing, by the way, imo :)
     
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    I'd be cautious about making assumptions on meanings if you're not conversant with the text or the tradition. 'Jealous' might not mean what you think its means? The risk of a cultural literalism that misses the meaning implied by the scribe. Also in what context is the scribe using the word?
     
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    Illusion of his own divinity, as in man cut himself off from God to be his own separate entity, right?
     
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    I don't mean to make assumptions. It's my perspective of the portrayal of God in several versions of the old testament. Would you suggest a better word? I.e., God was angry or unhappy when we worshipped other deities?
     
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