I would have to be superhuman to write down all these things. I dont think we are disagreeing on anything. Its all the same thing. There is a life beyond thought. Thats what I speak of, about what happens when thought ceases, when all attention is focused on the truth of present awareness. All beings have minds. Consciousness is more than a mere accident; its a property that is Pratītyasamutpāda, born as a response to a previously existing property. We are speaking of the Unmanifest. This is a fact of the trees. We are not disagreeing on the beauty of flowers or trees. This is the truth; flowers are the most beautiful and frangrant and pleasant to the to the touch thing, and their beauty will fade and they will die. But what dies in it? I dont speak of traditions. Using metaphysical words of the english dictionary doesnt make it a tradition or religious marketing, we just borrow terms in order to exchange information (this is language.) If I had to invent a way to exchange valueble knowledge of consciousness I would use songs and melodies. This is why Chopin or Bethoveen or Bach are geniuses...Bach, who made music soley for the sake of honoring God. Language is particularly obsolete in this time and age, given its overexposure, particularly in advertisment. Language can be very detrimental to understanding the truth, cause truth is not a word, but a state of consciousness of total certainty based on the understanding of fact. The fact of Being. I dont understand why you say its wu wu. It is philosophically correct, phenomenology is one of the most precise forms of language for understanding phenomena as its name indicates and this its basis. All knowledge is based on this. All knowledge exists because of experience. This is obvious. You learn to ride the bike first. Theres no need of dependance on religion to understand facts. And when one understands facts, one sees religion, the fact of religious experience, as a fact; the fact that life is magical and mysterious and beutiful...there is a reason for all these things. This is to be experience in meditation. If you think its a tradition that is not so, most all animals sit down and rest motionless and dream and live inner lives. Its either 'my religion is right and everyone else wrong' or 'I have so much no-belief that its a form of belief.' Why the need to complicate things so much? Why cant the mind go directly to the truth? Very simple.