CORONA VIRUS

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  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    It's no wonder that I have to wait for a jab ;)

    I've gone off the idea now, in any case.
    I find the whole thing hypocritical.
    G-d knows best who is being responsible or is only thinking of themselves.
     
  2. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Well, unless you're planning on going to nightclubs in England, you don't apparently need to worry just yet about having the necessary ' jabbed and good' certificate. But it's a rapidly changing world we live in ;)
    Nah. Imo his instincts aren't right wing. Brexit was a good wheeze to become PM and play Churchill. He didn't expect it to really happen, lol
     
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  3. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    VIENNA, Dec 7 (Reuters) - The unvaccinated will stay in lockdown when Austria lifts its wider general lockdown on Sunday, Chancellor Karl Nehammer confirmed on Tuesday, a day after he took office.
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    "For all the unvaccinated who are suffering from the fact they are staying in lockdown, there is a clear offer: you can come out of it if you seize the chance to get vaccinated," Nehammer said
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    It certainly is a changing world. Mankind have always oppressed one another.
    A year ago we didn't have vaccines .. some still don't.

    It's getting nearer to the time when the "beast" will rule.
    vaccination certificates .. "I ask you" :rolleyes:
     
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  4. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Blessons...

    Pandemics have been part of our civilisation forever eh?

    We see the changes going on in society while society identifies lines and boundaries. The people, the businesses need to make changes adjust.

    I can never see the good while in the middle ... but in the end everything works out.

    We just seem to have to pay an awful high cost to learn. (Pandemic response, dealing with racial.inequity, health care, climate change, economic spread (billionaires/homeless)

    All such fun in this bubble called earth.

    Let's try to enjoy the ride!
     
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  5. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Tory MP for Yeovil, Marcus Fysh, describes plans to introduce Covid passports as a requirement to enter some venues as “draconian” and “a disgrace”.
    ..he will vote against the measures in Parliament, saying they are a “massive imposition on our liberties” and a "massive attack" on personal freedom.


    Interesting..

     
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  6. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Difficult with public transport and doctor waiting room windows open in winter, lol
    More likely to get pneumonia than covid

    Also difficult when dentist surgeries closed by covid restrictions to all but emergency cases

    Also difficult with persistent arthritis or earache etc, but unable to see a doctor because access to in-person consultation limited by covid restrictions as above

    The hysterical over-reaction to covid has and is causing far more damage than the disease itself IMO
    Hopefully Brits won't go down without a fight ;)
     
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  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    The doctors and medical staff in India were braver. They did an excellent job and are still doing it. There were a few who attained 'shahadat' (martyrdom) in their efforts. All credit to them.
     
  8. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    I didn't mean that at all.

    I mean that too much of a priority is attached to covid prevention, at the cost of all other medical conditions -- not because of overcrowded ICUs but because of excessive social distancing and access restrictions, continuing in the NHS long after pubs and banks etc, were open again for business as usual.

    I really didn't mean NHS staff are not doing a great job against heavy odds. They need to protect sick, vulnerable people. My daughter is a midwife in London. It's very tiring. I'm just fed-up with excessive covid restrictions. Windows wide open in winter. It's ridiculous. It's over-the-top hysteria. I really don't want to talk about it anymore.

    EDIT
    Sorry. No offence meant. Am just grumpy with everything to do with covid and being so cold all the time, lol
     
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  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Good that we do not take regulations too seriously. Some what in cities, even less in villages. Helps us to build immunity. :)

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    Warmer there too, lol :)
     
  11. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Wil's opinion on most everything...

    Divorce, for closure, jail time, 4.9 mm aneurysm in my chest that they will operate on at 5mm, sky falling, or pandemic.

    Once I get my breathing, blood pressure and heart rate under control...

    "Will what I am currently thinking make my life, my attitude, my world, or the situation better?"

    If not I need to change my thinking.

    Those thoughts have zero value to me....

    Or a negative value...if they are detrimental to my life, my attitude, my world, or the situation better....

    Then why think them?

    To me? This is my godself, my christself....the place where I build my world in seven days, seven decades or seven nanoseconds.... Each thought creates my day.

    If I cant help the world to understand we are all in this to work together...so be it...if I am still alive when it is over... I will chat with the seven of us that are left.

    Lol...i used to tell my kids when they were arguing or fighting.... "GO UPSTAIRS TO FIGHT, I will feed the one that lives!"

    It made them sit up on their beds examining why they are fighting, and wondering if I were sane.

    That is my goal here as well....keep wondering, luv you all.

    Its holiday season, rose colored glasses are on sale!
     
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  12. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Covid street riots in Belgium
     
  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    That is foolishness. They already have one problem, and they add to it.
     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    They won't stop.

    Unless they get together and demonstrate, they will be separated and isolated in their homes and denied their human rights unless they comply to take a drug they believe might harm them. That's how they see it.

    They're not just kidding around. They genuinely do believe it might be harmful.

    They need to be persuaded, not compelled. The more they're bullied, the more they'll fight. These governments are miscalculating badly.

    The harmful effects of excessive covid restrictions are far worse than the effects of the disease, especially for working age people. Imo
     
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  15. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Rioting is not the way in a civilized, democratic society to show differences. They could adopt Gandhi's way. After all, the laws are made by people whom they themselves elected. They could influence the people they elected. In a riot, I won't blame police action. If there are rights, then there is a responsibility as well.
     
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  16. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    No, I agree .. it isn't.
    Yet, it is an emotional reaction to loss of freedom.
    In this case, in being differentiated by society in requiring a vaccination to participate.
    i.e. coercion
     
  17. Thomas

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    I've stayed away from this,m so please allow a much-curtailed rant (you really don't want to get me going on this)

    He is if, according to a No10 staffer (in the Evening Standard) he can be qualified as a "Stalinist libertarian", that is, he operates a live-and-let-be agenda that applies to himself and himself alone. From everyone else he requires absolute allegiance in all matters.

    According to pundits, the rather more insightful description would be a libertine, a different kettle of fish entirely.

    BJ is the product of his class. His sense of self-worth and exercise of privilege is without limit, to such an extent that he sees no reason why he should make any effort – High Office is his birthright and should come to him as a dog comes to heel.

    Even at Eton, his tutors remarked on his monumental sense of self-entitlement and the fact that he did hardly a jot of work. He just naturally assumed he would be 'head boy' and his nose was put out of joint when that distinction went to another – David Cameron – who became PM and was ever in BJ's sights as someone he personally wanted top bring down because of that disservice done to him.

    Brexit handed itself to BJ on a plate. Cameron's own fault.

    (At Eton he argued, in his last year, that the lead role of the annual Shakespeare performance should be his. He got it. He never attended rehearsals, he never learnt the script. He turned up on the night and to the dismay of the crew and cast, stuck post-it notes with his lines all over the sets.)

    Johnson's track record is clear. He wants the top job, he just can't be arsed to put in the time or effort required. Why should he?

    His lack of knowledge on the topic under discussion – any topic – is the stuff of legend in political committees. And he simply jokes and japes and plays the buffoon when they try and bring him to the point.

    Note the infamous speech to a hall of businessmen when, obviously never having read a word of it beforehand, he got lost and forgot where he was!

    He carries all this off with admirable aplomb because he really can't give a ••••.

    BJ has grown up believing, indeed knowing, that rules – and indeed laws – are for other people. (His father is the same. We have film of an uncle explaining how the DNA of their class is superior to that of the lower classes.)

    This is a man who can be reckoned to 'try it on' with any woman who comes into his orbit. (There's one in high political office right now, and she is using the fact of their dalliance on a European political trip as leverage to keep her job.)

    This 'libertarian' led an attack on the independence of the judiciary, on the impartiality of the civil service and diplomatic corps, on the BBC, as well as dismissing as irrelevant the speaker of the house of commons (effective undermining parliament), the electoral commission, the ministerial adviser on the civil service code, the panel on appointments to the house of lords, and so on.

    Every step intended to weaken or eliminate those who can call him into account.

    Recently, he has shown his desire to be able to strip people of their nationality. This is monstrous.

    *****

    Winston Churchill once told his close friends that when dealing with America, one can rely on America 'to do the right thing, after having exhausted every other possible alternative'.

    Two years into his leadership, recently BJ hasn't been doing the right thing at all. He hasn’t been for a while now, and backers are beginning to think its more than a run of bad luck.

    No 10 has lurched from one reversal to the next. A series of avoidable screw-ups that have left Tory MPs angry, continually being sent out to declare their unqualified support of his policy, only to read he's reversed it in the next's day's edition of the Daily Telegraph (BJ uses that periodical the way DT used Twitter).

    This latest 'party' fiasco marks, perhaps, a turning point. After every tory glove-puppet said 'there was no party' (last Christmas, with the country in full lockdown), a leaked video shows tory press office in hysterics trying to figure out a way to describe an event in which there were drinks, games, shenanigans and 'no social distancing' at a time when the papers were full of people dying, family and friends being forbidden to be at the bedside ... On the morning of it's release, every glove-puppet pulled out of appearing in the media until they heard what story BJ was going to tell the House of Commons.

    Now we hear of numerous parties by various tory offices ...
     
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  18. Ella S.

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    In America, every major change, whether that's American independence, the abolishment of slavery, women's suffrage, or an end to segregation, they were all made possible by riots.

    Some might argue that Gandhi would have gotten nowhere, too, if it weren't for the rioters.

    But you can definitely write to your representatives asking nicely. They're just going to throw your letter in the garbage without reading it.
     
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  19. Cino

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    I'm not familiar enough with the history of independence of India, so I'm not sure this is what happened, but in other contexts, I'd agree.

    The rioters put on the pressure so that those in power start to talk to the peaceful protesters. I've seen that dynamic play out in my country, many times.
     
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  20. RJM

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    Interesting observation
     
  21. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    That is the only thing Indian politicians are worried about - public opinion. That is what gives them various facilities including the chance to usurp public money or public land.

    Gandhi stopped his agitations if violence occurred.

    "The Chauri Chaura incident took place on 4 February 1922 at Chauri Chaura in the Gorakhpur district of the United Provinces (modern-day Uttar Pradesh) in British India, when a large group of protesters participating in the non-cooperation movement, were fired upon by the police. In retaliation the demonstrators attacked and set fire to a police station, killing all of its occupants. The incident led to the death of three civilians and 22 policemen. Mahatma Gandhi, who was strictly against violence, halted the non-cooperation movement on the national level on 12 February 1922, as a direct result of this incident. In spite of Gandhi's decision, 19 arrested demonstrators were sentenced to death and 14 to imprisonment for life by the British colonial authorities."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauri_Chaura_incident
     
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