Christian; finding truth in Buddhism

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  1. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    At a simplified level yes. And certainly Greek philosophical dualism presents something of a stumbling block.

    I can't speak for Judaism, but it always seemed much more holistic in the sense that closer attention to Hebrew ideas might have preserved against an overt Hellenistic dualism. The Christianity v Platonism debate is well recorded.

    Not according to Christian doctrine.
     
  2. Nasruddin

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    There are those people who wish to take up the spiritual life, yet are afraid of what they may uncover. For example, in the last ten years I learned that much of my suffering came from things buried and forgotten long ago. When those things rose to the surface it caused great havoc and grief. I know of others like myself, friends who have done all they can to avoid looking too deeply into themselves for this reason. They continue to suffer because of pushing away the experience.
    Then there are those souls that have a certain existential angst about what they may find if they look too deeply within. I know of one young lady who began having serious panic attacks including blackouts and violent behavior because of this irrational, yet understandable fear.

    What I personally found is that beyond self and non-self there is something, or rather nothing else. How can I describe it? People more talented and capable than me stumble with trying to tell about it. My personal belief here is that many people sense this on a deep level but don't know what to do with it.

    I think further that there is no avoiding it, but it can be deferred. There are many people who will "refuse the call" as it were, but maybe all souls eventually must face it. I don't really know.
     
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  3. Nick the Pilot

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    Chino,

    When a person puts themself on the path to enlightenment (and later, onto nirvana), it usually means that life will become more difficult for them.
     
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    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Dark Night of the Soul ...

    ... a lot of people try to romanticise this, which I think is naive. More like lifting the lid on one's own, personal Pandora's Box ...
     
  5. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Various views about it. My view is that life remains the same, difficult or easy, but there is a better understanding of things.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    No pain no gain thinking

    I'll paddle downstream..
     
  7. Nasruddin

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    Yes, it's hard to understand why people would romanticize getting shredded until there's nothing left. I really don't recommend it, though I didn't have any choice in the matter really. You know, holding on to a tether while in the midst of it probably saved my life. It got bad, real bad. I honestly felt like not going on for a while there. I kept remembering the story I read about St. John of the Cross, and stuff like that can really help when all the lights have gone out.
     
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    Long you live, and high you fly. :)
     
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    I have heard that all such issues must be resolved before a person can achieve enlightenment and then go onto nirvana. Another reason why placing ourselves on the path can make more life more difficult.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    May I use this to start another discussion?
     
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    I think I understand now what is meant by the saying "suffering is grace".
     
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    I think there is some truth to that. The more we suffer, the faster we burn off bad karma.
     
  14. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Nice trick. Can you also do "war is peace"?
     
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  15. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    The religious can do all kinds of tricks. :)
    "God is love". Is not that the greatest trick?
     
  16. Nasruddin

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    No, nothing like that. It's something I read once, and it hit me the same way. It isn't a profound truth, just a contextual one. A personal one. I wouldn't quote it to any one as any kind of profound thing to be considered.
     
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    Nicholas Weeks Bodhicitta

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    Unless we continue to create new bad karma at the same time.
     
  18. Nicholas Weeks

    Nicholas Weeks Bodhicitta

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    Another version of that is "suffering is good for the soul".
     
  19. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Whose soul, whose agenda is this? And who is expected to bear the cost, to do the suffering? Are they the same, or is the burden being shifted here?
     
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    Since we are in a Buddhist forum here, I guess the answer would be that of the first Noble Truth, the truth of suffering. There are those who can choose to turn the suffering they are already dealing with into a vehicle for awakening. Suffering as we do, despite our best efforts to avoid it, can change us for the better or the worse. It can soften a heart and provide a more compassionate view of others who have also suffered, like you. It can be a catalyst for change or it can just be suffering.
    At no time should this experience of awakening because of a nadir experience be used as a "rule" for anyone.
    I get the feeling that you or someone you care about was treated very poorly by narcissistic, authoritarian people. After being abused and then gaslighted into thinking the abuse was supposed to be good for you. I may be way off and if so I'm sorry.
     
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