I rather like Penrose view that self collapsing wavelengths are minds. Stephen Hawking wrote he thought the universe could come into existence because of Phi(the transcendent number from which all numbers are derived) and added that he thought phi is a self collapsing wavelength. Penrose added his view that I mentioned in the first sentence. As a PanDeist I love this and believe it gives more legitimacy to the idea God exists. But both of these theories or hypotheses were/are simply hypothesis, not proven...but having some evidence and sound reasoning behind them, but still just hypothesis. But their hypothesis are sacrosanct because they are *popular* scientists part of the scientific establishments(scientism religion) high priest class. But other scientists not part of that prestigious hierarchy club...well...they dont deserve funding or a platform. Get outa here, lol! Give me a break!