Psychological Well-Being

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  1. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    What do you think is the role of religion with respect to psychological well-being?

    To flesh this question out a little, here are some starting points:

    The 12-step programs (AA and related offerings) explicitly work with religious topics, incorporating a "higher power" into the process of recovering from addiction.

    Grieving the loss of loved ones is often done in a religious frame of reference for guidance through the process.

    Some people experience high levels of anxiety because of the often intense and graphic threats for non-conformity to a religion.

    Certain psychological conditions such as psychosis have symptoms such as delusion which often express themselves in religious terms.

    This thread is intended as coffee table banter of how religion and psychological well-being interact (not as a pro/con debate).
     
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  2. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Psychology deals with the mind .. and/or the soul.
    As a human, we are bound in this physical body and they interact with
    each other.
    Religious guidance is for mankind's benefit .. spiritually and physically.
    That is my understanding. :)
     
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  3. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Thanks!

    Do you have more detail on the everyday psychological benefits?
     
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    Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine Junior Moderator, Intro Moderator

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    Religion (as opposed to religiosity) can give some form of continuity/stability to a "client". It could also give some form of "ritual", whether because there are particular rituals that need to be done at certain times of day/week/year or time of life.

    Grief also has certain "rituals" which have been interrupted by CV19 as well as wars/disasters/etc. due to not being able to know if or where the other passed or even if the loved one is gone.

    Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
     
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  5. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Well, as you say, taking religious duty to extreme can have negative effects.
    ..but generally, those that remember God have psychological help.
    It is strenghening and increases positve thought.

    A good example would be those in long-term unemployment who descend into hopelessness,
    not being able to see a future for themselves. Having faith that God is "able to do all things",
    helps one to be patient and not give up .. seeing the world through a different lens.
     
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  6. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Imo that's all it is.

    Perhaps psychological benefits may happen as a result of soul learning. Or not ... it's not the main issue.

    The society isn't God. God is God. Imo
     
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  7. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    That downbeaten beggar on the street may be better soul person than your local member of parliament -- though a bit less socially/psychologically well adjusted?
     
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  8. Cino

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    There certainly are different takes on "psychological well-being". One is, as you point out, related to being able to function in society. Another is more subjective, related to reducing pain and increasing ease or peace.

    Maybe this is a similar distinction as the one @Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine made between religion and religiosity?
     
  9. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Oh definitely. Acceptance of suffering as soul purification and 'peace that passeth understanding'. Interesting discussion. I am not denying that God may bring an improvement to the quality of material life of the one who turns to him, crying from out of the depths, but the priority is always the soul?

    There may be times of emptiness and loss in the material world, but with a sense of inner happiness and soul peace. And the converse may also be true: material accomplishment with spiritual emptiness and pain?
     
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  10. Thomas

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    I think religion provides a metaphysical framework in which one can locate oneself.

    That, said baldly, sounds highfalutin, but we as creatures are gifted/cursed with self-reflection, and there is a deep and abiding need to locate ourselves in the scheme of things as we see it.

    The rites of passage of which Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine mentioned are necessary and are there as psychological markers, I think? I would look at symbols and their universality as a key to psychological insight. I think, as mentioned, I consider our contemporary 'conspiracy theories' the same as pre-modern 'superstitions' — there's a higher power at play there, manipulating the world, etc. Conspiracy theorists are comforted by the 'fact' that they know, they are aware, and even while they are as helpless as everyone else in real terms, the 'fact' that they 'know' — are 'illumined', 'awakened', etc., is a comfort they will fight tooth and nail to hang on to ... how else can flat earthers withstand the weight of contrary evidence? The deeper answer is if they let go, they are lost.

    Thus from a psychological pov the Sacraments of the Church are universals, they weren't invented or discovered by the Church, they are there in every traditional culture. They are necessary.

    I'm not saying culture can't flourish without these rites of passage, but I do think they are to some degree impoverished — and I'm speaking of modern western atheist culture simply because it's the only one that seeks to do away with them, or reduce them to meaninglessness.

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    Manias representing themselves in religious terms is, I think, because the language of religion enables the maniac to verbalise and quantify.

    I think psychiatrists have noted that in schizophrenia, for example, the radio and then the tv, and now presumably computers, are the sources of the voices the schizophrenic hears. No doubt there are the undiscovered those who are terrorised by Alexa ...

    ... same, I remember reading, about flying saucers and 'the man in black', they turn up throughout history, expressed in cultural terms. So the proliferation of UFO/Body Snatcher movies in the 50s-60s reflected deep-rooted fears of communism, then there was the optimism of Close Encounters and ET ... that's gone away, and we're into zombies ...

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    As you say, it's all about frameworks. And, as you say, there are plusses and minuses.

    Interesting, though.
     
  11. Thomas

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    Been wondering about gender fluidity ...

    Take a look at: https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/

    Seems like our Abrahamic binary absolute attitude to gender is bound to cause a whole lot of pain and suffering (by which I mean it does, that's a statement, not a suggestion). And that binary absolute seems to me to be one evidence of how colonial 'enlightenment' has actually impoverished traditional cultures.
     
  12. Beautiful

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    He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside still waters; He restoreth my soul.

    --This. The relation between peace and truth. We need order & meaning in life. Religion and Philosophy satisfy this. Art. Nature.
     
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    It has been said a person cannot achieve enlightenment and then move onto nirvana until they have achieved "psychological well-being".
     
  14. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Seems.to me organized religion plays with your psychological well-being.
     
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    Religion (or rather the belief in a higher Being) is systematically used to recover from psychological issues in programs like AA, NA, etc. The foundation of the 12 steps program is spiritual.
     
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    Have you read power vs force? It describes quite well thst how we see the beggar is determined by our level of.consciousness.
    I personally am very appreciative of the friends of Bill for their efforts but so believe addictive personalities are ripe for misuse by parasitic religionists. At a minimum one should be granted success and a 13th step which indicates you arr in control and can make your own choices.

    I was an alcoholic, I may be one again, but I am not one now.
     
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    This plays on issues I've contemplated many times over the years.

    I guess because I've always been a bit of a loner, so I've been on the outside looking in (and I'm comfortable there). It seems to me the social game of strength in numbers (blue wall of silence, freemasons covering each others' backs, high school jocks bullying to get what they want, busybody women spreading false gossip)...the "numbers" groups cross a gamut and the list goes on, but in order to fit into any group, the individual *must* surrender a piece of their individuality to the group.

    I don't consider myself anti-social, but I can say emphatically I am not comfortable in a crowd of strangers...so concerts, sporting events, crowded beach or amusement park, not generally my first choices for entertainment. And I realize it takes me a while to warm up to a new person that enters my circle. I don't consider myself standoffish, but I do evaluate before I open up.

    My society, which I think translates well into the West as a whole, and I would venture to guess mostly applicable across the "developed" world, values "beautiful people." As if being "ugly" translates to some criminality. I see either side of this coin preached across all manner of children's education, from cartoons and story books, through commercials and social media. Beautiful equals good, ugly equals bad...yet reality is quite different.

    Frankly, "ugly" people have *never* caused me harm, it has *always* been "beautiful" people who have gone out of their way to snub me, disassociate, and even deliberately cause me grief...as if they were entitled to do so, because they were beautiful and I am not. Or so it seems to me. I can enumerate examples, but why bother?

    I am not the ultimate judge of souls, but I do have the right and the obligation to gauge a soul as to how it will impact and affect me and mine.

    Prejudice, meaning the dictionary English definition of judging prior to evidence, is rife and rampant, and has painfully little to do with skin color. It makes me wonder if there is some natural, dare I say "normal," basis behind it. Perhaps it is an instinctual part of being human, perhaps there is some psychological base in self preservation that long after the animal cause has dissipated, we have somehow turned it sideways onto ourselves. I don't know, but I have certainly dealt with it all of my life.

    How do we define "well adjusted?" Is this reference to the socially acceptable "beautiful people?" (Thank you John Lennon)

    How do we define "better soul person?" How do we define "sane?" How do we define "psychologically healthy?"

    Consider this; how many of you here go on about "monkey mind" and "being in the moment?" The same folks who champion various exercises to empty the mind to enlighten the soul...for ten minutes before they return to the insanity that is their normal routine. The solution is simple, Thoreau knew it and did it, even wrote a book about it. Walk out into the woods, put up a shack, grow a plot of beans and contemplate your navel. There's the healthy solution in a nutshell.

    Or not. Try that today and you get locked up and your shack burned down. Woodland hermit's cabin fire leads to state investigation | Fox News
    That's not socially acceptable, that's insane, that's abnormal... But living in a rat race, rushing headlong to a heart attack with fast food and soft drinks and bumper to bumper traffic is socially acceptable, sane and normal. And other folks are so caught up in being "normal" that they fail to see the insanity all around them, that they themselves are consumed by. The travesty is that we have allowed it to happen.

    It is this very kind of hypocritical dichotomy that leads me to want to learn from the obscure cultures, the very ones modern anthropology wants to "save" by introducing modern ways. Nonsense. So many of these cultures have survived from before historic times, hidden in out of the way places that developed civilizations couldn't be bothered with...unless there were resources to exploit. Otherwise, these folks did just fine all by themselves in the middle of nowhere. Seems to me there are lessons we all could learn there.

    Sanity is relative. Psychologically healthy is relative. Well adjusted is relative. Beautiful is relative. Are you content in and with your individuality, or do you prefer to surrender pieces of that for the opportunity to fit in and associate with...what turns out to be insanity?
     
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    Have not read it, but understand there but for fortune -- no-one to turn to and nowhere to go. I know who I'd give my money to, faced with the choice between a beggar and a politician, lol
    Food for thought @juantoo3
    Your post will change the way I look at people from now on. Thank you
     
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  19. wil

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    2 funerals in 2 weeks...people really do seem to need a hereafter... They need a G!d and a heaven to a degree I am not fully aware.

    I watched as.an observer how believers in the family lived heavily on seeing their loved ones again.

    Whether that benefits their psychological wellbeing I know not...but psychologically it benefits their wellbeing it seems.

    Observing the Observer I contemplate if I got to the other side...and found another side... I think I would be intrigued and surprised...maybe not in that order.

    I also thought if they got their and found nothing...at least they wouldn't know and I saw less harm in what I perceive to be a delusion than before.
     
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    Hence Pascal's Wager...
     

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