Atheists are not all w/out faith and belief

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  1. Contrarian Deist

    Contrarian Deist Member

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    I was reading something from someone who made the claim Atheists are without faith and belief. I challenged the claim, presented for you viewing pleasure(or displeasure) and discussion, my response below.....

    I have to challenge that claim. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity or deities(soft atheism) and/or belief that there is and/or cannot be any deity or deities(hard atheism). In itself it makes no dogmatic claims about anything else. There are forms of Buddhism/buddhists which are atheists...and atheists may be of other nontheistic religions and/or may have faith in other things. Laveyan Satanists claim to be atheists(though technically Lavey was agnostic-deist when he started out and the CoS does admit agnostics and Deists but not theists into the org and even Gilmore admits deism is a rational position) ...and they claim to be faithless but nonetheless even if atheists...they have superstitios faith based ideas in magick and in other things.

    Lastly, dogmatic atheists most certainly DO have *faith* in their view and in ...not science... but the inherency, infallibility, and incorruptability of the scientific *establishment* and in its *current* leading hypothesis as if they are not subject to change in the future...even drastic alterations over time, and faith in pseudiskeptical mindsets. They most certainly do willfully refuse to even look at, carefully and fairly weigh p/analyze evidences that challenge their a-priori preconceptions
    And they tend to be philosophically shallow sophists(not all of them, but alot and particularly their high priests...the *thinkers* and public atheists and public talking head establishment scientists and public popular pseudoskeptic *DISbelievers/DEbunkers*...all of whom they treat as if they are high priests...of the faith they and belief they deny having in their dishonest cultism).
    Yes, many atheist DO have both a negative belief and...FAITH(negative but a belief and faith nonetheless) and willfully , stubbornly, refuse to even look at....let alone analyze objectively and fairly consider...that others may present to them(and then go on to claim ...*they have no evidence, woo-woo...lalalala I'm putting my fingers in my ears...my hands over my eyes...I refuse to look or hear or consider that...I might be incorrect*).
    Thet also have *faith* in establishment science(they call it *scientific method* though it is not fully *scientific* it rather is faith in the limited TOOLS of measurement/tech of the time...and then pretend that tech, methodology, and the leading hypothesis drawn therefrom...temporarily...are a be all-end all)

    Not all atheist are like this, but the only ones who arent...are not the hard atheists but the ACTUALLY skeptical(cautiously open minded/open mindedly cautious) heavily agnostic atheists who are not so easily dismissive, closed minded, arrogant (ignorant and arrogant in their willlfull ignorance) or pseudiskeptical. These exist...but they're few and far between.

    Also nihilist atheists(most atheists arent nihilists, some are) will claim, that because they not only don't believe in any deity(ies)or divine/mystical aspects to life/cosmos but also don't believe in anything period. That is also a type of belief and faith(it also requires a stubborn, intellectually lazy need and propensity to just willfully ignore presented evidences or reasoned counter arguments to their presumption or bias),

    Yes, many...if not most....especially modern nu-atheists...have *faith*
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    Thoughts?

    P.S. atheists aren't the only ones this can be applied to, it can also be applied to any/all classical materialists, sophist nontheists of various sorts and pseudo skeptics of various sorts.
     
  2. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Ah, that must be exhausting.

    (Obligatory reference from The Big Lebowsky)
     
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    LoL!
     
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    I believe I'll have another beer.
     

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