Arian Christology

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  1. Tone Bristow-Stagg

    Tone Bristow-Stagg Active Member

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    Millions run towards it every day Thomas and many of those are sheep not of the fold you are.

    It is to One fold and One shepherd goes my heart and my life.

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  2. Thomas

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    And mine.

    Peace be with you.
     
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    It has been offerd that Christ is known through every God Sent Messenger. Christ was known through Krishna, Christ was known through Zoroaster, Christ was known through Abraham, Noah, Moses, Buddha, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, just to name a few.

    Christ when manifested in the Message of the Quran said "I am all the Prophets". The Bab and Baha'u'llah have explained this in great detail.

    Why is it we Limit God to a single Name when we get to know all the Names through One Name?

    Zexhariah 14:9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

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  4. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    But wrong. Jesus Christ was not just another messenger, in spite of attempts to make it so. It is the whole discussion.
    Irrelevant what Quran or Baha'u'lla have to say about Jesus Christ. You've got your own messenger. Stop trying to piggyback on Jesus for credibility. Clean your own house
    We don't
    Could mean many things
     
  5. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    If only that was not applicable to your comments, it may have some merit. :D

    It is very obvious to those outside of doctrine, that Christ is limited to how doctrine shows Jesus Christ to be.

    It has naught to do with me and all to do with the Message.

    Man has a history of killing the Messengers, be they from God, or just men like us that were inspired to share was was given by a God sent Messenger.

    Time for me to go. I wish you well and happy.

    Regards Tony
     
  6. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    If you can't take the heat ...

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    I did all that 'Jesus is just another messenger' stuff decades ago, but I was wrong -- and so are you. IMO
     
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  7. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    Personally I see there is no heat.

    I always point out and it is good to remember that it's not my Message.

    All the best, regards Tony
     
  8. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    To me, that comes across as a way for you to avoid taking personal responsibility for what you write. "It's not my messge... <shrug>"

    I think it would be good for you to remember that you are the one who signed up for this forum, not Baha'u'llah. In my book, what you write here is very much your message.
     
  9. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Exodus 3:15

    "ה' אלהי אבתיכם אלהי אברהם אלהי יצחק ואלהי יעקב שלחני אליכם זה שמי לעלם"

    represents the tetragrammaton which I do not spell out
     
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    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    You believe this to be the best translation because....?
     
  11. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    Copyright belongs to God, but God does allow us to use the Word.

    I can only share it, but most of all it is better to live it.

    Regards Tony
     
  12. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    It is but One passage of many that talks about God being One.

    As you would know, we can not limit God to any understanding we may have.

    I just beleive God's Name is One Name and that name contains all that can be.

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  13. Cino

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    I wasn't disputing that. But I meant what you just did.

    Better than what, exactly?
     
  14. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    "..In that day there is one Jehovah, and His name one."

    I'm a witness to that :D
     
  15. Thomas

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    This is sadly a rather preposterous statement when one considers the "I am" statements in Scripture.

    And moreover, the 'messenger/mirror' analogy is shown in its failure: "In him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it" (John 1:4-5).

    And – tellingly –

    "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

    There are always those who seek to 'rationalise' these words from the beginning, to reduce it to the known and familiar formulas.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    ..so what does this mean?
    Is John [ whoever he was ] telling us that Jesus was claiming to be the last God / Messenger ?
    Was he telling us that Jews and Muslims cannot achieve salvation?

    ..because that is how a lot of Christians see it.
    I see that we need to consider the context. When a chosen 'son of God' is amongst us,
    how can anybody else claim something contrary to what they are saying?
    They are naturally an authority.
     
  17. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    He is quoting the words of Christ and make of them what you will, imo
     
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