Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by muhammad_isa, Mar 18, 2021.
I just wondered what people's opinions on this were .. including polytheists and atheists.
If a baker baked a cake, who baked the baker?
I think that the concept of God, the stories, the theologies and philosopies and revelations and traditions, are products of our humanity, examples of our capacity for creating meaning out of this life we find ourselves in.
Having no God, I say that no-one created God (as distinct from ideas about God).
How about you, @muhammad_isa?
Yes, I see.
John Lennon is reported to have said
"If you can imagine a world at peace, with no denominations of religion – not without religion, but without this 'my god is bigger than your god' thing – then it can be true."
He also sung "God is a concept, in which we measure our pain".
Nice one! In Christianity, this is very "in your face", with the Crucified God.
In Buddhism,it is very central, too. "The Truth of suffering", or the "Suffering Truth".
Still, these are thoughts about our human concepts.
What is your take on the question you pose in the thread title?
My concept of God is of a non-physical phenomena [ spiritual ] that is eternal.
An eternal phenomena cannot be created, as it just "is".
Is a thought eternal, in this sense? Non-physical, uncreated, indestructible?
Yes, a thought is non-physical and cannot be "unthought".
No one did he created himself.
My belief is that Allah is Un-created
It is a belief
I don't understand how He could have done that.
How can something that does not exist create itself?
Yes, It is a belief that an eternal God exists.
We have to realise there are things we can not know. The created can not know the Essence of the Eternal Creator.
Nobody knows what will happen to them after they die, for example.
We all rely on God's Mercy.
..however, you've avoided the question .. who created God?
God is not created.
From the Baha'i Writings.
"... The Pen of the Most High trembleth with a great trembling and is sore shaken at the revelation of these words. How puny and insignificant is the evanescent drop when compared with the waves and billows of God’s limitless and everlasting Ocean, and how utterly contemptible must every contingent and perishable thing appear when brought face to face with the uncreated, the unspeakable glory of the Eternal! We implore pardon of God, the All-Powerful, for them that entertain such beliefs, and give utterance to such words. Say: O people! How can a fleeting fancy compare with the Self-Subsisting, and how can the Creator be likened unto His creatures, who are but as the script of His Pen? Nay, His script excelleth all things, and is sanctified from, and immeasurably exalted above, all creatures.... "
From Buddhist Scriptures
" There is, O monks, an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed. Were there not, O monks, this Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, there would be no escape from the world of the born, originated, formed. – Udana 80-81."
If you actually read the Pali Canon, the body of texts you are quoting from, you would notice that the passage refers to the third noble truth, the Truth of Cessation - rather the opposite of a creator god by any reading standard.
You could just as well try to shoe-horn ideas of god onto the Buddhist concept of Samsara (the wandering from lifetime to lifetime, transmigration), because it, too, is without origin. From the Discourse on Tears (https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn15/sn15.003.than.html):
Doesn't sound very much like God, a reason for more tears than the oceans could hold. But it is just as uncreated, uncaused, originless as you say God to be.
If you're going to appropriate other faith's scriptures for your purposes, at least give them the courtesy of a thorough read-through.
Sure you can see it how you wish to.
Well, may I say that the point of the OP is not so much about what God is, as to how He came to be.
You asked a good question when you asked about what a thought was.
However it may be generated, it is still a non-physical phenomena.
..as you pointed out somewhere before, there is a difference between a psychiatrist and psychologist.
"Who created God?"
Those who benefited by its creation, in cornering power or money - or who wanted to do so (some did not succeed).
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