Fulfilment of a modern pro-Zionist prophecy in the Quran

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  1. Thomas

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    Then I must profess my ignorance, in the case of the House of Wisdom, I know only in passing, and no idea about J-M society in medieval NA.

    As for Moorish Spain, I am aware of a level of culture – the example I use is the hospital in Cordoba where ideas such as ventilation, isolation and good hygiene were the norm, something that would not appear in British hospitals until centuries later. As I understand it, the 16th century Renaissance was kick-started by trade with North Africa.

    Well I'm not getting into a 'I said/you said' here, but I think you're misreading me. I do not hold quite the same polemic standpoint as yourself.

    Well for someone who seemed to imply that the Kaballah is entirely derived from Sufi teachings, this made me smile.

    As for our being a 'loony bin' then if that is the case, I'll take that as a reference to a diversity of opinion. If you find that unacceptable, I'm sorry.

    Not everything derives from Islam, my friend.

    The origin of occult fraternities is lost in the mists of Antiquity. The impetus is universal. The 'Mystery Cults' of Greece and Rome. There are texts going back millennia, and indeed references implied in the Hebrew Scriptures, as well as Simon Magus in Acts 8:9-24.

    "What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun."
    Ecclesiastes 1:9

    You misread me. By authentic religion I was distancing myself from pseudo religion. Probably better we left that one go ...

    What I meant was, authentic religion, or perhaps authentic Revelation, speaks to the whole person, in all places and at all times. It will necessarily be couched in the language of the day, but its message is timeless and universal, by virtue of its Source.

    Thank you, I regard it as mistaken. I'm frankly surprised you chose the name SufiPhilosopher, both suggest esoterism, a seeing beyond the surface.

    I think we hold different ideas about what constitutes 'esoteric'.

    As I have said elsewhere, Divine Revelation is neither esoteric nor exoteric, these two terms are human categories, not divine ones. Revelation is one, and esoteric and exoteric are perspectives or degrees of interpretation.

    "Go and tell this people, 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.' ... Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed." (Isaiah 6:9-10)

    "He (Jesus) replied, "The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, 'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'" (Luke 8:10).

    I repeat, it's not to do with God, it's to do with our perception.

    Agreed. Really, as soon as man opens his mouth, there's a degree of clarity, a degree of obfuscation ... it's the nature of the beast.
     
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    Here I think is an example of 'esoteric'/'exoteric' – 'the spirit' and 'the letter'.

    In the exoteric sense – Heaven is a reward for our behaviour. Hell is a punishment. Both are ordained by God.

    In the esoteric sense – Rabia loves God for God, not in for the sake of heaven or in the hope of reward, nor does she love God because of the fear of punishment. She loves God for the sake of God. She is not motivated by 'the carrot and the stick', simply (and most profoundly) by love.
     
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    Hi again Thomas,

    Have you ever had to make a post and not not what you are going to say, just that you have to do it? So it feels with me. :(
    What I feel in my gut and heart is the obliteration of the concepts of spirit and letter... and the full on power of reality itself. Heaven and Hell run through me, love courses through my veins... how to describe it with words... Finding heaven in the deepest of hells, the highest divinity in the super mundane. This is what I see, have experienced.

    I dare not ask for more, I just let it flow as it will. Let love lead, let the heart catch fire with all that is God. Throw out concepts, throw out expectations, let the agony and ecstasy of endless life take hold. Lose all control and fall into the Everlasting Arms. Become the little children on snow day. I hope I've said enough there, I'm never sure.
     
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    Let me try this one again. Let's stop being adults. Do you not hear the children playing? Let's play and see where it goes from there... We're out of control, but it is God saying, "I've got you, let it all go."
     
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    In front of everyone here, I want to personally thank you and the team for all the effort you put into helping me make this fit for publication, Roger!

    I'm open to explaining anything that is unclear in my publication, and I believe there is nothing obscure, weak or ephemeral about the prophesy! Basically, I am pointing out a clear, unobscure pro-Zionist prophesy in the Qur'an that was and is either overlooked, or misinterpreted and twisted from its straight, plain meaning (perhaps intentionally), and/or then mis-translated (also perhaps intentionally) into other languages (from its original Old Arabic). I think there is nothing obscure, weak or ephemeral about the prophesy - it's there in plain language, just needing people to recall verses that they read 100 verses prior to the prophetic verse.
     
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    Hiya Stranger —
    Not sure I understand this ... could you explain a bit more?

    LOL, so you're one with Rabia!

    You've said a great deal, and much to your credit.
     
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    Sorry, no... I can't explain what I don't understand myself. In such cases as this, my tendency is to think I might have been a bit grandiose. Actually I can't force myself to go back and read the rest of what I wrote right now. Perhaps in a few days, a week...

    Well, creatures of my ilk must be careful not to dream too big, but... secretly, secretly, we might yearn for heaven, for beauty.


    Thanks! But, on the downside, I learned long ago not to operate on credit. It always comes due eventually. :( Gifts are ok I guess, nothing owed there. But essentially, if the money is not there and immediate, no fine dining for me. It's back to a sandwich and a can of beans. :(
     

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