Why can't we all get along?

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by wil, May 26, 2021.

  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I have been involved with discussing the topic of the trinity, Nicene creed and early Christian history, yes.
    ..not because what other people believe bothers me, but because, much like @Thomas , I like to discuss the Bible
    and Qur'an .. faith in Almighty G-d.

    I can get frustrated in a discussion, naturally .. but that is not about being angry about somebody's beliefs.

    The Qur'an says that people who believe that Jesus is G-d are wrong.
    I am not G-d. People can believe it or not as they wish.

    I was raised as a "Nicene Christian". Was that my "fault" ? I don't think so. :)
    It is not for me to judge anybody else. It is for me to communicate with others,
    and encourage people to seek knowledge. If they don't want to, or think
    that I'm wrong, so be it.
     
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  2. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    @Tone Bristow-Stagg -

    We’ve been down this road before, you and I, so what I say now will come as no surprise.

    You are a passionate member of your faith community. You are a passionate advocate for the beliefs of your faith. My problem is that you, and other members of your faith community, give lip service to the truths, the wisdom, and the beauty to be found in other faiths and then, in the same breath, go on to demean those other faiths as outdated, outmoded, incomplete and no longer really valid. In doing so you pay no heed to the fact that, for example, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are not static. They have continued to generate spiritual wisdom and insight for centuries.
     
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  3. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    See in one another the face of the divine or see in one another simply our common humanity. Celebrate the values, the truths we hold in common. Understand the differences between us, not to change the other person but rather to recognize and appreciate the diversity of thought and belief that can enrich our lives.

    We don’t all have look alike, talk alike, think alike to work together,
     
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  4. Tone Bristow-Stagg

    Tone Bristow-Stagg Active Member

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    A big hello to you and I hope you are well and happy.

    Firstly lip service is supported by the examples of our lives, unless you can point out where we do not practice what was asked of us?

    It all comes back to one conclusion, is the Message from God, or is it not. After all, that is the Choice God has given us, do you disagree with that conclusion?

    So it has naught to do with me, but in the choices I make in regards to my actions as a human being, in relation to what is asked of me by God.

    What is from God is a free will choice we all have.

    Regards Tony
     
  5. Tone Bristow-Stagg

    Tone Bristow-Stagg Active Member

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    I agree we are to find God in all people. That is the way we are to live our lives.

    The Christians have a great prayer, Thy Will be done, thus that is what I pray.

    It seems you also pray for G_d's Will to be done. Personally I have found that Will, may not reflect what we have embraced in life and we have to be able to accept the change needed.

    Regards Tony
     
  6. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Interesting....this is everyone trying, right?
     
  7. davidsheep88

    davidsheep88 Member

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    Nope because that guy took my money and wallet, they guy on the left gave me the crazy look -_-, and for some reason people steal stuff from one another something that happen since the beggining of time. So no sorry everything will be fix until the end times when G-d fixes it all. Truly sorry wish for easy everything but we will wait.
     
  8. Tone Bristow-Stagg

    Tone Bristow-Stagg Active Member

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    We all do not have to agree with each other, we just have to practice what each of our Faiths say we should do towards each other.

    We each need to choose to live the virtues and foster a unity in our diversity.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Tone Bristow-Stagg Active Member

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    Why wait, we have have been given that choice and capacity as an individual, to fix it within our own selves.

    Regards Tony
     
  10. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I'm not sure how I come across to others, but that is certainly my intention.
    I can understand why some people might think that the topic of Israel/Palestine should be off-limits..

    However, I'm not sure how long our "UNeye" is back with us here on IO.
    I would just like to say that I personally would like to see a 2 state solution to this apparently eternal conflict.
    I'm not "holding my breath", but just making my own position clear.

    Furthermore, I am not in favour of the flag-waving and nationalism that is going on, on both sides.
    It should not be about which religion or tribe that we belong to .. but do people care what I think?
    ..probably not :(
     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist Staff Member

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    Tribalism, imo. I also consider universalism as a variation of tribalism (one tribe.)
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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  13. Navigius

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    Would non-violent co-existence between two interlocutors with mutually exclusive worldviews (even allowing robust debate) be an acceptable outcome?
     
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    stranger wolfwing, a feral angel

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    Seattlegal, Namaste. I am confused. Is one tribe (univerlalism/apocatastasis) a good thing or bad thing? Though we are of different traditions, I honor the divine which is in you.
     
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    Navigius, welcome to the list. I suppose it would all ride on what is meant by non-violent co-existence? This suggests distance and I'm not sure I would agree with that. I rather would be in favor of a merging of the two into one (a round, not broken in two) which is, by reason of that sacred union, capable of allowing and reconciling all robust debate.
     
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    If mutually exclusive worldviews by definition cannot be reconciled, how could two such interlocutors be merged into one?
     
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    stranger wolfwing, a feral angel

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    Holy marriage, that is to say, union which is ordained by God. Love erases the barrier and reconciles all things. It's holy magic. The essences combine to form something better than either could have achieved alone.

    This is priceless, or to to put it another way, their is no price I wouldn't pay to see it happen. This is interfaith at it's core.

    In Christian symbolism, this was Christ and the church. But union may be seen in other ways. Who does God/the universe/etc. love? What are the ordained channels through which that love will flow? Mysteries all, but perhaps the answers will soon come. We can hope it happens in our lifetime.
     
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  18. Ahanu

    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    Define tribalism.
     
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    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    I guess one tribe could potentially be a bad thing if the whole becomes oppressive and coercive to tribes that disagree, and there will always be those that disagree. I am not a fan of using the term tribalism in the way seattlegal is using it, although I am aware of the phrase "to find one's tribe" and so on. It seems more and more people are talking about political tribalism these days with huge segments of the population gridlocked into concrete positions.
     
  20. Ahanu

    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    Maturity. The answer is really that simple.
     
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