The Body and Blood

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by RJM, Jun 8, 2021.

  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I agree, but it seems that Catholics and Protestants, and Sunnis and Shias seem to have arguments all the time. :)
    There are plenty of neutral areas, if that is what people want to do i.e. not be insulted if somebody doesn't agree with you.

    I can see that I wind people up [ not intentionally, actually ], but this continual expectation of "the Christian board"
    should not question Catholic [ orthodox ] belief is beginning to to annoy me, quite frankly.

    There are many different sects of Christianity, and if people feel continually insulted [ I don't ], perhaps they should
    discuss among themselves [ there are many Catholics on this forum ] in a sub-forum.
     
  2. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    If you notice you offended someone, there is always the option to apologize and refrain from repeat performance.

    As a non-Christian, I tread lightly when discussing intra-Christian disputes, or disputes among Muslims, or Buddhists... you get the picture. No-one likes outsiders taking sides in a family argument.
     
  3. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    God's no longer out there and remote, but demonstrative and immediate: Emmanuel -- God with us. As a man. The living Christ. Demonstrative. Even to death on the cross. Bridge between man and God. Cutting throats of animals or banging my head against the floor until I get a callous on my forehead isn't doing anything? Not anymore?

    Observance by Catholics in trying to imitate the life of Christ, and ritually in the sacraments, including the Eucharist
     
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  4. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    This is quite well understood and you are just insulting everybody's intelligence here, imo
    Why did you post this in a thread about the Blood of Christ? Your Freudian slip is showing, you see ...
     
  5. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    If you are trying to upset me, you are not succeeding.
    I find that quite amusing, actually :D
     
  6. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    OK .. I get it. You don't want me to "argue against" anything to do with the eucharist.
    Were you looking for replies from Catholics about this topic?
    ..or were you just "thinking out loud"?

    ..or were you expecting me to say something that you didn't like and start an argument.
    I can't be sure..
     
  7. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    No.
    I was asking why you needed to bring up the subject of pig's blood sausage?
     
  8. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Just leave it.

    When I find myself in times of trouble mother Mary comes to me, there will be an answer: let it be
     
  9. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    That's true .. sigh
    I suppose I will have to wait until I die before I find out who my family is.
    I seem to get flack from all sides.

    Black, white, Muslim, Christian etc. etc.
     
  10. juantoo3

    juantoo3 ....whys guy.... ʎʇıɹoɥʇnɐ uoıʇsǝnb

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    Just when I thought there was hope...

    How many times to go over this? Even to have you admit you understand, only to revert to this scandalous deliberate sacrilege?

    This has been explained to you, I personally know of at least 3 different occasions. Yet you persist? There is none so ignorant as one who chooses to remain ignorant.

    If for no other reason than respect, why can you not refrain at least on the Christianity board? And you are a moderator?

    So by your example, the example you show right here in this thread, you are telling people it is OK to go to the Islam board and profane Islam and Muslims...it's OK, I'm just exercising my freedom of speech (and my self loathing). I have a right to believe all Muslims are devil worshippers, and more important the right to say so on the Islam board - by your example.

    For a religion of love, it sure has a VERY difficult time showing it. It is rare indeed in my experience to find a Muslim who doesn't exude hatred.
     
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  11. juantoo3

    juantoo3 ....whys guy.... ʎʇıɹoɥʇnɐ uoıʇsǝnb

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    You bring it on yourself. I think you do it intentionally. I don't pity a person who does such things intentionally.
     
  12. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I'm sorry if you find this offensive, but I really do think this is about identity.
    My name is Muhammad Isa, and I'm a Christian who found out about the Qur'an and believe that too.
    I was advised to change my name by deed-poll so that I would be able to go on a pilgrimage.
    I don't regret it. I have learnt a lot about other people's prejudice. If that's what it takes.

    I assume you're from a Catholic background. All three of you seem to think that you own the Christian board.

    It's only your perception that I'm profaning Christian beliefs. I'm well aware of why.
    It's all about majorities. If the majority of Christians didn't consider the eucharist,
    sacred, then it would just be a case of profaning Catholics, but because you are in a majority,
    you think it's OK to throw your weight around and claim that "it is Christianity".

    It's no different to sunni Muslims claiming their particular flavour of belief is Islam,
    on the Islam forum. That's why I think that there should be a "Catholic sub-forum", so
    we don't keep continually having this problem.

    You may say that "it's only me" causing the problem, but maybe other Christians don't
    feel comfortable on this site.
    eg. Jehovah's witness, unitarians, methodists etc.
     
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  13. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Well, what is the title of the thread?
    I see the word "blood". I'm discussing blood !

    My Christian background does not include making a big thing about the eucharist, despite being C of E.
    My father in law was "Welsh chapel" [ non-conformist ]

    By law and social custom, Nonconformists were restricted from many spheres of public life – not least, from access to public office, civil service careers, or degrees at university – and were referred to as suffering from civil disabilities.
    - wiki -

    ..and on and on and on.

    That's right .. I'm a non-conformist. Thank G-d !
     
  14. juantoo3

    juantoo3 ....whys guy.... ʎʇıɹoɥʇnɐ uoıʇsǝnb

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    I realize a lot of things have changed over the years. However, the original remit per Brian was for the individual faith boards to be "safe" zones for that faith, that questions from outside of that faith should tread lightly and with respect.

    That is why the more general boards were created, to allow the interaction between faiths, exploring similarities and differences.

    Wil, Thomas and Phyllis can all attest to this, and it is the way I continue to treat the board. That is why, for example, the history of Christianity is on the history board, so as not to be in the face of Christians, making it easier to respectfully disengage if someone is uncomfortable with the subject matter.
     
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  15. juantoo3

    juantoo3 ....whys guy.... ʎʇıɹoɥʇnɐ uoıʇsǝnb

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    Nah...prejudice is "pre"-judging. There is absolutely nothing "pre" about my assessment of you.

    You are a hater. I have met only one Muslim in my lifetime who wasn't. And just like a Muslim, start sh!t and then whine and cry when someone dishes it back.

    Funny how all other faiths around here find ways to respectfully deal with each other. Islam can't because Islam won't, Islam doesn't want to play nice.
     
  16. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Christian sandbox dude. You left Christianity and decided you wanted to join another religion and argue and Nuance over there.

    So feel free to discuss the differences between Shiite and Sunni thoughts on the blood of Christ in the Muslim section. That's my opinion. It appears to me you are out of line and you know it
     
  17. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    That arrangement makes sense. Thanks!
     
  18. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    There were a lot more people when Brian was here, with more need for separate areas. The site is much smaller now and threads may cross lines a bit more, imo

    However a reasonable sensitivity towards the beliefs of others should be a standard common courtesy.

    Comparing the sacramental blood of Christ to pig's blood sausage is deliberate insulting provocation wherever you go. He has not apologised, in fact:
    Disgraceful conduct, and clear breach of our CoC imo
     
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  19. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    See post #32

    You claim Christianity and Catholicism are one and the same. That is NOT true!
    That is the past, I'm glad to say.
    It's not that I dislike Catholicism or Catholics..
    ..but I DO dislike majorities bullying others with different viewpoints!
     
  20. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    That is how you think. You are trying to say that Muslims and Christians are "miles apart" and are
    completely different religions. They are not.

    I do not consider that I have "left Christianity". It all depends what your definition of Christianity is.
    ..and mine is not yours i..e. Roman creed

    They only become mutually exclusive when people claim that "Islam is this particular flavour" or
    "Christianity is that particular flavour".

    That is where all the enmity in the world arises. People's arrogance and non-scriptural dogma.
     

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