The Tribes

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  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I don't see Bahai as a major tribe..

    I see China as a tribe, for example.
    Do they have a flag?

    Flag-waving is a fallacious argument or propaganda technique used to justify an action based on the undue connection to nationalism or patriotism or benefit for an idea, group or country. It is a variant of argumentum ad populum. This fallacy appeals to emotion instead of logic of the audience aiming to manipulate them to win an argument. All ad populum fallacies are based on the presumption that the recipients already have certain beliefs, biases, and prejudices about the issue.
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    Here we go again .. lack of logic.
    So many people understand that science is based on hard evidence and logic, but when it comes to religion
    they see it completely differently. Either they just follow their tribe, or claim that religion and science
    are different issues, and is an emotional rather than logical issue.

    Why should G-d expect us to be irrational? No .. I don't think so!
     
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    Psychology has an entire branch devoted to the study of groups of human beings. I merely dabble a little, but can report that conscious, logical decision making regarding the sense of belonging is a minor factor by orders of magnitude.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Moving goal posts? Nah...brand new ones on tje other side of the field...exactly which abrahamic sect that you disagree with is China?

    Do they have a flag? This is now important?
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Indeed. It is so powerful, that unless somebody's faith is strong, it overwhelms it.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Read my former posts in this thread.
    People rant on about sunni & shia, protestant and catholic, jew & muslim..

    However, if we look "beneath the hood", we see a different picture. We see people with little knowledge
    of G-d waving flags :rolleyes:
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    You mean the ones that disagree with your paradigm?
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I've no idea what you mean..
    What has waving flags got to do with G-d?
    Isn't it more about "majorities" [ in a group ] and pride?

    What usually makes people misbehave and violent?
    If G-d is all-powerful, does He need us to be "angry" for Him? Clearly not.

    If we are angry because somebody insults our religion, I would say that an angry reaction says
    more about us than anything else. It's usually when we are in a majority that we become cocky.

    A solitary football fan is unlikely to cause trouble when surrounded by rivals.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    So in a better world I would respect the beliefs of others and not badger them to adopt my own? I would just quietly practice my own faith, without need to wave my flag in others' faces and tell them they're wrong?
     
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    Apart from expressing a low opinion of people in general ... I'm not sure what point is being made here ... ?
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    "Men will always naturally prove bad, unless some necessity constrains them to be good"
    Machiavelli (The Prince, chapter 23)
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Really?
    I would have thought that was the whole point about a site like this. To discuss religion between ourselves.
    Naturally, we will not all agree on everything. :)

    There is a difference between flag-waving ethnic groups and people exploring religions and having an open mind.
    It is not possible for every creed to be correct.

    You claim that it doesn't matter, but it really does.
    At least, from the point of view that we don't lie to ourselves [ and G-d ] for some worldly reason.

    It doesn't matter so much about what church we might attend, but it matters what is deep in our conscious.
    Almighty God knows all. We cannot hide from him.

    He knows our every intention, and our whole lives are a product OF them.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    The OP starts with a quote from Qur'an. It tells us that G-d is One, and Jews, Christians and Muslims
    are created by Him. It is mankind that is tribal by nature, and we have split our faith into sects, proudly
    belonging to one and emphasising its particular "bits and pieces" rather than concentrating on the higher
    purpose of mankind.

    ..just a snippet of what the thread is about.
    It is satan that causes us to fight each other for supremacy.
    Death is better than the victories of warfare.

    Remember the narrative of Adam's sons, Cain and Abel..
    The winner takes all :D

    [ the son that was murdered by his jealous brother is the winner ]
     
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    Yes
    Any time, any place, any religion, imo
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    You can't say that.
    Some religions have nothing to do with Almighty G-d. o_O

    ..that doesn't mean that one has to be disrespectful to others.
    Somebody that disbelieves in the existence of a Creator will not attend a church, and will not consider
    "what G-d thinks". I guess that applies to some careless people who DO believe as well.
     
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    God knows the soul of every person, regardless of their religion
     
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    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    No, humans are not apes if you go by taxonomy.
    APES Subfamily: Ponginae, Tribe: Gorillini, Genus: Gorilla, Species: Gorilla gorilla, Gorilla beringei
    HUMANS Subfamily: Homininae, Tribe: Hominini, Genus: Homo, Species: H. sapiens
    'Apes are our brothers' - a-la-Wikipedia (To make it clear 'Chachazad-bhai')
    Chachazad-bhai: Paternal cousins. :D
     
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    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Most probably you know it but can not accept it because it conflicts with your scripture. Sure, origin of mankind is not an accident, it is the result of evolution over some 4.5 billion years.
    Seek knowledge, but only from a book written in the seventh century? That may not get you the best of knowledge. The world has moved on.
     
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    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    So, only the major tribes should survive?
    No, my tribe (Advaita Hinduism) does not claim that religion and science are different issues. We reject all emotional beliefs, even in Hindu Gods and Goddesses.
     
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    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    May be G-D is not one but many. Or perhaps there is no G-D. And perhaps no such entity is responsible for creation of Jews, Christians, Muslims, LDS, Bahai, Ahmadiyyas. They were created by humans.
    And what about the others? Were they created by Shaytan?
    Please, Mr. Mohammad_Isa, do not be so parochial.
     
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    Thanks Aup
     

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