Women the gifts G-d gave to them, A list of powerful verses and scripture G-d gave to women.

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  1. Thomas

    Thomas Administrator Admin

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    Said it before ...
    The Annunciation was to a woman, not a man,
    The Resurrection was declared first to a woman, not a man.

    That says something to me ...

    Patriarchal misogyny has played these down ever since.
     
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  2. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Imo Christ never disparaged women, or any other group of people. The only people Christ spoke strongly against were religious hypocrites -- as he would probably do today? It is Paul who wanted to keep women 'in their place' drawing from the Old Testament imo?
     
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  3. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Mt 15:22 and following hits close to both marks... comparing the Canaanite woman to a dog and refusing to help her daughter. Her faith and persistence (and good humor at the insult) makes him change his mind.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Ok. It's rather cryptic. But I don't see Jesus calling the woman a dog because she was a woman -- as a Cananite or as a non-Jew perhaps, but even then ...?
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Agreed. It was the closest I could think of.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    My various contemplations on the text.

    Jesus said he was only here to work with house of Israel....did she awaken/quicken his understanding that he was here to save the world?

    That our mission is not so narrow? That we need to look beyond what we deem as our scope?

    Metaphysical meaning of Cainan (mbd)
    Cainan (more properly Kenan), cå-i'nan (Heb.)--possessor; acquisitor; centralizer; one who fixes and establishes his center; acquisition.

    Named twice in the genealogy of Jesus Christ (Luke 3:36, 37); the second Cainan in this genealogy is called Kenan in Genesis 5:9.

    Meta. Cainan, named in the genealogy of Jesus Christ, and meaning possessor, centralizer, one who fixes and establishes his center, symbolizes the establishing of one's outer consciousness and organism in the truth that the whole man, even the body, is in essence spiritual. Thus does one prepare oneself for the new or Christ birth. Through this new birth, even the very outermost phase of man's organism undergoes a change from seeming material to spiritual expression and manifestation--the body takes on its real spiritual nature.

    That seems to apply...

    Some wiki insights

    The word "Canaanites" serves as an ethnic catch-all term covering various indigenous populations—both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups—throughout the regions of the southern Levant or Canaan.[2] It is by far the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible.[3]In the Book of Joshua, Canaanites are included in a list of nations to exterminate,[4] and later described as a group which the Israelites had annihilated

    Looks like we have been holding indigenous peoples in low regard for quite a while...the Jewish colonists were no different when it came to taking over the land of milk and honey?

    Again I see this as a watershed moment for our saviour...seeing there is more to his mission.

    I tend to view all of this happening in my head, opening my mind (Paul admonishes us to put Christ mind in our mind) raising up my mind to understand there is more for me to do as well, personal ingrained or old barriers to be taken down. All valuable as we struggle with BLM, Me too, LGTBQIA+ rights....AND our past actions with indigenous peoples.

    Coincidence or correlation we still refer to those perceived as lesser than us dogs....er canines.

    I never know where the circumambulation of a passage will take me...but thoroughly enjoy the twists and turns and internal growth that stacks up.

    Is it time to make an adjustment to the center of my being based on what I am encountering in life and thought? Thanx for this rabbit hole!
     
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  7. Thomas

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    This incident is recorded in Mark (7:21-28) and Matthew (15:25-30).

    Matthew uses the older name, Canaan, whereas Matthew uses the more modern Syrophenicia. She is a Gentile. As Mark explains, Jesus has left his normal mission-grounds and gone, in the hope of seeking anonymity, around Tyre and Sidon, but He is recognised and crowds gather.

    She seeks Him out, and asks for a healing. His disciples ask Him to send her away, she's a Gentile. He says:
    "Suffer first the children to be filled: for it is not good to take the bread of the children, and cast it to the dogs."

    The 'children' is Isreal; the 'dogs' is a reference used by Jewish writers with regard to Gentiles – so it's not against the woman, so much as the people. I would not read any kind of misogyny into this response.

    Jesus' response would seem to fit with Jesus self-identification as the saviour of Isreal. However, she comes back with"
    "Yea, Lord; for the whelps also eat under the table of the crumbs of the children."
    She addresses Him as 'Lord', which one might not expect a Gentile to do, but it's clear she knows He's a wonder-worker. She also uses the diminutive term for dogs – puppies – and seems to accept that the table is laid for Isreal, but the Gentile can benefit by it, it's the one Lord over all.

    He, in turn, admires her for her faith – in Matthew it is 'great is thy faith'. He accedes to her request and the child is healed, apparently instantaneously.

    The question then devolves to, does she, as a non-Jew, enlighten Jesus to the idea that His mission is to the world, and not just the Jews? I don't think so, as Jesus had cured the Centurion's daughter previously, and again because the man showed faith in His authority.

    I wonder was this a lesson more for the benefit of the disciples, and us, to remind us that no-one is denied the love of God.
     
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  8. davidsheep88

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    i'm finish with the script of the episode vey soon going to unleash A very powerful episode it will reveal important things from since genesis to the before the mosaic law of how women do the plan of G-d, to in the middle of the mosaic law and then after the mosaic law to Jesus. Sorry but womena nd their part is very complicated not as so much as episode 12 that one was 12 years of hard studying to show that. But the most improtant thing and what is their power will be shown ;D.
     

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