A Life Beyond....

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  1. TheEndIsNigh

    TheEndIsNigh Prepare Thyself....

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    Here's the thing - BTW - This isn't a request for health advice.

    Just to set the scene:-

    I'm a lazy old grumpy s*d who could definitely do with losing thirty or forty pounds.

    This obviously gives me the body and physique of Adonis as he is now, some two millennia after his prime.

    As a result I suffer from nightly Sleep Apnea events.

    Coincidentally (As the pounds have increased) I've begun to experience increasingly long dream events.

    These take the form of dreams in which I live alternative lifetimes. I'm not just talking about odd scenarios and weird adventures.

    No, I'm talking about dreams in which I live for forty years. In these dreams I experience days, months, years of an alternative existence. Waking and sleeping and going to a jobs/companies I've never done. Dreams in which I'm driving around going on holidays to places I've never been to (though mostly places I have been to). Sometimes these dreams are extremely weird - space adventures, aliens wars and the usual phantasmagorical stuff.

    This has resulted in my developing a theory :-

    It's well known (or so I believe) Sleep Apnea can cause the sufferer to have a lower level of oxygen in the blood and a corresponding higher level of CO2 which can cause deliriousness.

    Given my experiences with my extended dream sequences could it be that at the end of life - As all these things come together in the fateful last moments - these effects give the dying the illusion of life after death.

    I'm not saying that there is a life after death, but that the illusion of the long dreams could be the focus of such beliefs.

    As in, someone recovering from a near death experience might (if they remembered) report that they had been to heaven/hell* and so give force to the idea such places exist. (as of course they may do if that's you're particular belief)

    So my question is :- Has anyone else experienced what I have - extremely long length dreams?

    *(trust me I've been there in some of my dreams)
     
  2. Thomas

    Thomas Administrator Admin

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    Well, that's an interesting theory, and a quick look round on a search engine of choice suggests you're on the right track.

    As for your query, I suffer neither the condition nor the dreams, so can't really contribute there.

    You just missed someone who has left the building (this forum, not this life), who placed a lot of faith in NDEs. This could have led to interesting discussions, or perhaps not.

    Anyway, I'm intrigued, but then it's your condition and it's not there for my entertainment.

    Having said that, might I ask how do you respond to the apnea? I mean, are you ambivalent, seeking a solution, enjoying it? I'm not making light, I don't know sleep apnea is in a broader context?

    My partner has a condition in which her heart sometimes skips a beat or two at night, something about 'resetting irregularities'. Most times it passes without notice. She also suffered a bout of sleep paralysis, which I would of course be unaware of, but then she'd start making strangled calls when coming out, trying to call for help but being unable, which did wake me up and it scared the bejeebers out of me ... Thankfully no recurrence for many moons now.

    SP has been suggested as an underlying symptom that gave rise to 'incubus/succubus' episodes, and latterly alien abduction! Funny how the mind interprets things, or not, depending on your experience ...
     
  3. TheEndIsNigh

    TheEndIsNigh Prepare Thyself....

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    @Thomas

    I'm perfectly happy to discuss the situation, both seriously and for entertainment purposes.

    Regarding the response: I'm happy to live with the Apnea and do not seek a solution (although there are risks and Mrs Tein isn't happy about that).

    I've always had extensive weird dreams since the age of seven, (I've always snored) although I can't remember most of them now. Some do stand out, but Mrs Tein has said she will have me committed if I reveal some of the content to others. (those outside my close family circle).

    Weirdness ranges from dreaming I'm a spider in a spider world set in a pub, and just gets weirder from there on up.

    I am not a medical practitioner.

    Heart condition: Recently, I have developed a condition "Atrial Vibrillation". This is where the four chambers of the heart get out of sync causing irregular and sometimes very strong heartbeats. If your partner suffers from this (And it can go on without the sufferer realising) then s/he should seek medical advice. It can be associated with blood clots leading to strokes etc. due to the blood in the heart not being fully discharged with every beat (I think that's it). As a result clots can form that travel to places they aren't required. The usual medication is blood thinners, doctors need to be consulted etc.



    Abduction experience: Yes: in some of my dreams alien interaction has occured usually the saving the planet type (hey what's an ego for but to be fed). These are the more exiting dreamscapes and I enjoy such escapades muchly.

    On a more serious note: One corollary (if this is an experience relating to the illusion of a life after death) is that anyone who suffers a violent instantaneous death where the mind is unable to become affected by the increasing levels of CO2, would be denied the experience of this lasting apparent eternal state.
     
  4. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    I am on the other side of 79. No, I have not experienced long dreams for a long time. I wake up earlier than other people, so my mind wanders and I let it wander. Then around 6.30 - 7a.m., I prepare my cup of tea. True, accumulation of CO2 and CO will cause hallucinations, just like in case of NDEs. Perhaps the doctors can suggest something. A little exercise will help. I do not know your age, height or weight. But you are not looking for layman's advice. I do not think I will enjoy long dreams, short skits are OK. I will use meditation, i.e., give practice to mind to avoid them - perhaps wake me up if that happens.
    I do not think the state is eternal. There is a whiteout and nothing after that.
     
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  5. TheEndIsNigh

    TheEndIsNigh Prepare Thyself....

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    @Aupmanyav

    I agree the "apparent" state wouldn't actually be eternal.

    Surely, it'd be more of a black out situation. :)
     
  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    As per the description of NDE experiences, it is a white out. Does the black out follows the white out? I do not know. :)
    But IMHO, all that happens within five minutes of the stoppage of heart.
     
  7. Craz

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    Some 61 years ago, when I was 12, I dreamt I was living in a sugar plantation in South America.
    In the dream I lived 2 full years there.
    after awakening, I had difficulty returning to 'normal' life for about 2 weeks. I had to get used to being 'me' again.
    (Stranger in a strange land ?:) )
    Unfortunately I have forgotten most of the details other than it happened.
    I'd find it most interesting if it happened at my present age.
    Much better than watching movies. :cool:
     
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  8. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Do you guys have a total recall of these extended dreams? Or do you just remember snatches?
     
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  9. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Great premise for a tv series this...

    I don't have great memories of dreams...they are fleeting....never for years either.

    I have solved work issues and completed projects in my dream only to wake and found the work undone...and having to figure out a way to explain my solution while avoiding mentioning I dreamt it.
     
  10. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    I think that the first stage of my dreaming helps deal with the karma of the day or the time just passed, the second deepest stage helps exorcise and deal with deep karma, and the third stage helps set me up with warnings and advice for the day to come and the future. I believe I gain a lot from my dream life.

    Even if it's not properly remembered, the messages are absorbed by the subconscious. Imo
     
  11. TheEndIsNigh

    TheEndIsNigh Prepare Thyself....

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    For me, at waking it's total recall. However, the memories don't last and mostly evapourate soon after, say five minutes.

    It did used to keep a dream diary to write them down but it can be difficult to remember to do it as they can be quite disorientating.
     
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  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Total recall, never. Only snippets.
     
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  13. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Tangentially related: Bitter-grass https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calea_ternifolia has some mild effects which promote vivid dreams. It is legal to possess and consume in most countries, including the one where I live.

    I had the opportunity to drink a cup of infusion of this dream herb recently, but did not remember any dreams that night, unfortunately.
     
  14. TheEndIsNigh

    TheEndIsNigh Prepare Thyself....

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    I have no problems at all with initiating vivid dreams. The problem I have is not being locked up about their weird content should I reveal them to anyone that isn't covered by marrital confidences I.E. Mrs Tein. - see above.
     
  15. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    I see.
     

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