Civil Liberties my ****

Discussion in 'Politics and Society' started by Thomas, Dec 20, 2021.

  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Yeah....or if your job involves being.face to face a lot.

    I am so lucky my health sucks and.staying.inside and isolated is relatively easy...lol
     
  2. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    It being to prevent transmission -- duh! We forgot -- not infection. The virus is far too small to be stopped by a mask and can't survive in isolation anyway: the purpose is to prevent spread of airborne spit particle by sneezing or coughing or singing or shouting, or whatever?
     
  3. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    The masks stop most...they keep a sneeze from going 15 feet or your breath from going six feet. Most of the articles get stuck or are not spewed as a aerosol into someone else's face....

    It loses the momentum and drops to the ground or sticks to other moist fibers in your mask...

    I dont like them....i dislike breathing my exhaust. Hence I dont go on trains and planes or public transport and minimize my time in grocery stores
     
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    seattlegal Mercur├Žn Buddhist

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    I have 2 of these, and love them. (I can pass along a discount code if anyone wants one.)
    Easy Flow Personal Air Filtration | Fresh Air Anywhere (easyflowusa.com)
     
  5. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    seattlegal Mercur├Žn Buddhist

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    pm'd you the discount code
     
  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Farting has advantage for the body. It blows out sulphur di-oxide which otherwise will remain in our system. Never try to suppress a fart, aid it.
     
  8. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Who's body?
    I'd rather not be in a closed-in railway carriage where people are "blowing off" :eek:

    In any case, the point is "what is a smell?"
    Isn't it tiny particles/molecules?
    Cloth does not filter out smells, so I question the efficacy of cloth masks in reducing transmission.
    It is what it is.

    ..re people coughing and spluttering, it is good manners to use a handkerchief.
    I don't favour a society in which it becomes the norm to wear a mask.
    Everyone to their own. Some people just love living in a metropolis.
     
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  9. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Hydrogen sulphide gas is almost as toxic as hydrogen cyanide. A single lungful of the pure gas will kill you. When the oil rigs hit 'gas' alarms go off and lights start flashing and everybody has to drop what they're doing and get a gas mask.

    https://www.osha.gov/hydrogen-sulfide
     
  10. Thomas

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    I'd rather not be in a closed-in carriage where people are "blowing off" covid molecules.

    Yep.

    Cloth filters out particles.

    Cloth is better than nothing in filtering out larger, complex molecules, like covid, but is not so efficacious against relatively tiny molecules that trigger smell sensors. For them, as @RJM Corbet says, you need a mask with a sophisticated filter.

    I think of Japan. There it's good manners to keep your germs to yourself, mask-wearing has been the norm for years.

    It's all about perception, really.

    Please do not take this as a cheap shot ... but we have the range of hijab through to burka?

    In the parts of London I move in, the niqab/burka is relatively rare, whereas the hijab is the most common, so much so it passes without comment.
     
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  11. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Masks are the best that we can do apart from jabs and distancing (which does not work everywhere, certainly not in bustling bursting Indian cities). Niqab will not really do. It does not stick to the contour of the face, but still, IMHO, it is better than no cover.
     
  12. RJM

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    Some molecules have an odour: benzene and H2S (fart/rotten egg gas) have an odour, the ambroxan molecule used in perfumery has an odour, other molecules like oxygen and methane are odourless.
     
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  13. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    What a pity..
    What about climate-change .. is carbon-trading "the best we can do" too?
     
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  14. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Yes, cloth filters out particles, but in the case of being in a 'closed-in' railway carriage, it makes little difference.
    The carriage will "have a smell".
    The smell includes germs that pass through cloth masks.
    You can't filter out viruses, even with a HEPA filter. :oops:
     
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  15. RJM

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    But I think the virus needs the aerosol droplets to survive. The virus is transmitted by such 'body fluids' and cannot live alone in air?

    The virus transmitted by touching a doorknob would be living in oil secreted from the skin? Hence the hand sanitizer?
     
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  16. RJM

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    Or more likely it seems by another person transmitting droplets to the object, then someone else touching it
     
  17. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    That's not true. That's why ventilation is so important.
    Naturally, a virus can't survive for long without a host, but it is not limited to seconds or even minutes.
     
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  19. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    We are doing our best and remain committed to our agreements - zero carbon by 2070. India is one of the lowest creators of per capita carbon. The problem is with rich nations.

    See here. India has the lowest per capita carbon emission in the list:
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/carbon-footprint-by-country
    But we too have to live.
     
  20. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Who said anything about which nations are mainly to blame?

    Mankind want their cake and eat it. They always want to blame others.
    It is a contradiction. The vast majority of people vote for a government who are the most successful in acieveing economic growth.
    They are not particularly concerned by how this is achieved.

    The approach to control climate-change by fiddling around with emission schemes / taxes is only tinkering with the edges.
    It cannot achieve its goals. The only thing that can do that, is an overhaul of the global financial system.

    That is not happening. Evil continues to predominate. i.e. capitalist economic philosophy
     

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