How would interfaith work with those who are not into worship?

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  1. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Some see worship as harmful. I can see noble silence or things like the metta chant, but what about when it comes to those who want to worship and those who find worship harmful?
     
  2. parta

    parta Established Member

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    everyone dance....

    Taanit 31a:9
    In the future, in the end of days, the Holy One, Blessed be He, will arrange a dance of the righteous, and He will be sitting among them in the Garden of Eden, and each and every one of the righteous will point to God with his finger, as it is stated: “And it shall be said on that day: Behold, this is our God, for whom we waited, that He might save us. This is the Lord; for whom we waited. We will be glad and rejoice in His salvation”. God will be revealed, so that every righteous individual will be able to say: This is our God, as though they were pointing at Him with a finger.
     
  3. Leveller

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    Nice question. I am not even sure that I understand what worship means. I would imagine that it is mind-blowing when it occurs. In which case I must question how many have experienced it? Nobody that I know, that's for sure.
    I presume then that it is more a declaration of belief done in a ritualistic way. I don't need that but neither do I have a problem with those that do.
    I also accept the possibility that I am missing out in a major way. Still who knows what the future holds.
     
  4. 'Amir Alzzalam

    'Amir Alzzalam Šayṭānist

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    I'm going to assume by Worship you mean: the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity (first definition)?
    Why would someone find Worship to be harmful, and in what way would it be harmful?
     
  5. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Well, if there really is a deity, how would that deity be affected by thousands of voices in their head singing their praises, asking for a boon, or whatever?
     
  6. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Will Rogers said he wouldn't be part of any organization that would have him.

    Even before I was a parent I could not.concieve of a creator that required/needed their creations to worship them.

    But that is me, when it comes to other faiths...it is whatever floats your boat (within reason, Virgin sacrifice is beyond the pale).

    To be interfaith we have to relax a little eh?
     
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  7. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    G-d has no need of our worship. It is mankind who are in need.
    It is good for our souls to love .. to love righteousness .. to love each other .. to have a common purpose,
    and create a community which flourishes. :)
     
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  8. 'Amir Alzzalam

    'Amir Alzzalam Šayṭānist

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    That would assume this deity functions the way we do. That is what you meant by 'harmful'? To the deity?
     
  9. 'Amir Alzzalam

    'Amir Alzzalam Šayṭānist

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    Could have fooled me . . .

    Revelation 4:11
    Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    Exodus 20:3-5
    Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

    Romans 12:1
    I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

    Philippians 3:3
    For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
     
  10. HugoZyl

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    Dear seattlegal

    This is a really good question. It is a challenge. In the past different spiritual groups were mostly separated by distance. These days due to living in cities, international migration and the internet we are all sitting together like ducks in a row. In my humble view, there is no solution to it. We ourselves chose to move to the city, migrate, and so on; therefore the root cause is our own greed and lust which made us or our forefathers leave their more spiritually united birthplaces to look for a heaven on earth. May we learn from our and their mistakes is the only lesson I can get from it.

    Peace and love to all
     
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  11. Unveiled artist

    Unveiled artist Real life Dolls

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    I'm not a worshiper since I value equality (you bow to me and I to you), but I don't see worship as harmful. I used to worship. People put more emphasis on the belief but it's people's individual actions that's the issue. When I was part of catholicism,for example, no where was I taught to kill, abuse, etc (to sin). So, it just depends on the person.
     
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  12. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    OK, you have a sentient deity with all of these voices in their head. First, they have to discern if these voices are a product of their all-powerful mind (delusion) or not. (Those who want to merge with said deity don't help matters in this case. It blurs the discerning line between clear sight and delusion.) So, if said deity decides, "this is messed up," and goes ahead and uses something akin to Thwarting Angel techniques to solve the problem...
     
  13. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Your point being?
    I'm not a mind reader, you know. :)

    Mankind has been ordained worship of G-d for THEIR benefit. G-d does not need our praise.
    G-d does not need to feed an ego.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    No solution for it?
    I beg to differ. We can do something about greed. We can start with ourselves. We can promote righteous values.

    I totally agree that it is far from easy. Most of us in the west are surrounded by a system that promotes greed.
    ..and yes, we have ourselves to blame as we make compromises with our religion [Christian mainly in the west]
    ..so much so, that we no longer consider sins to be sins. :(
     
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  15. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Actually he didn’t. Rogers’ quote was how he was not a member of any organized political party…… he was a Democrat. It was Groucho Marx who gets the credit for the remark you referenced.
     
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  16. 'Amir Alzzalam

    'Amir Alzzalam Šayṭānist

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    Ya got a lot of 'ifs' and 'assumptions' there . . . suffice it to say that if your deity is unable to discern between 'voices', their intention, and a delusion, then sure, I would imagine that deity to suffer the same way we would if bombarded with voices in our head all day.
     
  17. 'Amir Alzzalam

    'Amir Alzzalam Šayṭānist

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    My biblical verse quotes describe a different god than yours, one who demands and desires worship and it's 'not' for the benefit of His worshipers as you attempted to twist the plot into that direction.
     
  18. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    The "ifs" are based upon the assumption that the deity is a sentient being. If the deity is non-sentient, then it would be wholly different.
     
  19. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Considering that @muhammad_isa is a Muslim and considering that the Islamic view of Hebrew and Christian scripture is that both have been corrupted, if you want to continue to argue your position with him you might want to use passages from the Qu’ran.
     
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  20. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I don't think so.
    When any of us read scripture, we are not very likely to all get the same understanding from it.
    We start with preconceived ideas in our minds to start with .. so do the translators .. so do the authors.

    If we read all of the scriptures as a whole, we are a lot more likely to understand what's going on.
    Quoting a few verses here and there to shore up our likes and dislikes is not particularly enlightening.

    Why should an omniscient, omnipotent G-d who created all, need us to tell Him how great He is? o_O
     

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