I am critical of the pursuit of mysticism, as it's a pursuit of experience ... and the great mystics seem to be non-experiential.
I read a comment somewhere that people who are 'spiritual but not religious' have been put off by people who are 'religious but not spiritual'
And, as ever, I wonder what 'disorganised religion' looks like?
But is there not a common aspect to its shape and form ... and I rather think many religious people are private within the communal aspect.
I am critical of the pursuit of mysticism, as it's a pursuit of experience ... and the great mystics seem to be non-experiential. It's a big topic, but if you've comes across Denys Turner (for example), you know what I mean.
Indeed, and not knocking that, but it has given rise to shops selling fetishes and dream-catchers and trinkets ... and often the SBNR means 'I do my own thing" which is problematic from certain standpoints.
Suffice to say I see spirituality in the Orthodox sense, as "the everyday activity of life in communion with God." and the doing of it is religion.
So, perhaps, spirituality is the interior disposition, religion its outward form ... but to say SBNR too often means "I like to think of myself as ..."
As for the communal aspect.
There is no greater test of love of neighbour than going to Church! And having spoken to monastics about the nitty-gritty of living in community ... man, that is tough!
As ever, it's a big thing and as per my organic approach, it's never black-and-white, never just this-or-that.
Even Thomas Merton was told by his director that really, deep down, he wants to be a hermit in the middle of Times Square!
Interesting. Thanks for sharing about your practice.
What do you associate sacredness with in mirrors? Amaterasu's mirror, reflecting the light of the sun? St. Paul's mirror, reflecting "darkly" a part of perfection? Or the White Queen's realm as in "Alice through the looking glass"?
Actually, the etymology of the word “religion” remains unclear.
I don't think it's unusual. I was calling them by their full, proper names, like you would with any famous human. Tom Cruise? Mahatma Gandhi? Martin Luther King, Jr.? George Bush? Bob Ross? Samuel L Jackson?
I think it's more unusual to just call them by a heavily Anglicized version of their first names or, in Siddhartha Guatama's case, just their title.
I'm curious what your problem with "I do my own thing" is. I think that's the big argument underlying these semantics.
The mirror. As a mirror can become any object but is not truly that object, so the Supreme Lord is the only reality which carries all the objects. Objects come and go, but the mirror is unaffected and always the same. The Supreme Lord can also be compared to a stage where actors are performing or a TV screen were pictures are showing, but sticking these things on your ceiling is dangerous. Hence, the mirror.
I suspect this "spiritual but not religious" might correlate to introverts who are drained by being around large gatherings of people. Introverts are energized by solitude. Extraverts are energized by social gatherings.I read a comment somewhere that people who are 'spiritual but not religious' have been put off by people who are 'religious but not spiritual'
Like introvert practice compared to extravert practice?<...>
So, perhaps, spirituality is the interior disposition, religion its outward form ...
If they don't participate in any specific religious gatherings, then who else would be capable of labeling them?but to say SBNR too often means "I like to think of myself as ..."
Dear Ella S.; may mercy and peace fill your heart.
And yet, here you are not using your full, proper name. :-D
During some quite heated debates a while ago here about the Quran and the Prophet (pbuh) I decided to remove all my information from my profile. It's not so much what you say, but what others decide you meant by what you said. The internet can be quite dangerousBy revealing my actual identity, I would be risking death. I have already received death threats from Muslims for rejecting the divinity of their prophet
Dear RabbiO; may the merciful Lord be with you.
I hope that is not the only thing you have thought about after reading through this thread. :-D
Judaism teaches that the righteous of all nations have a share in the world to come. One needn't be a Jew to be loved by G-d, to find favor with G-d. One needn't be a Jew to live a life of love, honor, honesty, integrity, mercy, kindness, compassion and healing. I try not to get into arguments simply because religious/spiritual/theological views, such as what you opined above, clash with Jewish understandings. My arguing tends to be limited to countering views that misrepresent Jews or Judaism.There is no spiritual harm in being the servant of other, but there can be great danger when others serve us.
It is better not to go to places where you are addressed as 'sir' or 'madam'. If the waiters in our cultures give us titles, better eat at home. If the sellers in shops do so, better buy from open markets.
Spiritual seekers should best not do titled jobs like doctors, religious leaders, or managerial positions.
If God gives us the job of being a teacher, for example, the first thing we can teach the students is to just call us 'John', or 'Mary'.
As a rabbi I have a responsibility to help others meet the challenges of life and the world we live in from a Jewish perspective.
I hope that your rude, ill mannered and tinged with sarcasm response to me was not the only thing you thought about after reading what I wrote.
Managing a domestic covid situation – not life-threatening, but there are 'we're not as young as we were' issues ... so I do off-the-cuff answers, but can't concentrate for detailed responses to good questions, so to @Ella S., @seattlegal, @Cino and others ... I am not ignoring, rather it would be no service to either of us to snap off an ill-thought out response ...I would love to have an entire conversation with you on this, but ...
Managing a domestic covid situation – not life-threatening, but there are 'we're not as young as we were' issues ... so I do off-the-cuff answers, but can't concentrate for detailed responses to good questions, so to @Ella S., @seattlegal, @Cino and others ... I am not ignoring, rather it would be no service to either of us to snap off an ill-thought out response ...