The Worm

[Sacredstar]

more on the worm leading on from the contraversial thread on this forum. (taken from previous posts that I have made).

Pope Gelasius I taught that Christ called Himself a worm, not because he was abandoned and crucified, but because He would rise again in a glorified body like the caterpillar who emerges from his tomblike chrysalis in the form of a beautiful butterfly.

So every human worm can be reborn to their angelic and Christ self.

In Chinese, Icelandic, and South American legend, humans are born from the worms of the corpses of the world's earlier inhabitants. Worms are associated with the larval state of the butterfly and indicate a passage from that which is lowly, disgusting, corrupted, and tragic. While caterpillars become butterflies, that which is transformed by the worm may end up in either a higher or a lower state than it was before. Every 500 years the mythical phoenix burnt itself to ashes on the altar of the sun. (and the sun represented GOD to these ancient civilisations). From these ashes, a worm, representing its essential being, arose and became the phoenix reborn.

Thomas Aquinas reasoned that, since animals are not granted immortality, the undying "worm of the damned" must be the worm of regret and conscience rather than a physical worm (Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas).

To cite this page:
Tucker, Suzetta. "ChristStory Worm Page." ChristStory Christian Bestiary. 1999. http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/legend01/worm.htm (10 Jul. 2004).


The original label 'worm' for humans came from Jehovah in the OT.

Now what is interesting is the Jehovah's Witnesses are pleased they are called worms through there apparant mistranslation/understanding of the term they believe that the worms will get their revenge.

http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Fellowship/Edit_Revenge_of_the_Worms.html

more to come

Sacredstar

 

[Sacredstar]

Posted - 10 July 2004 :  7:34:35 PM              
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Jesus referred to “hell” as a place where “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44), which is a transliteration of Isaiah 66:24.  It’s interesting that medical textbooks of that time contained references to psychological problems and treatments.  The ancient Greeks, for example, used electric eels to perform shock treatments on mentally disturbed patients.  The phrase “worm does not die and the fire is not quenched” was a medical phrase of the time, referring to mental disturbances.  Those in the “pit” may be physically burned, but they will also be in an emotional hell – forever!

www.fridaystudy.org
Revelation 9

So this brings us to the teachings of the Essenes that 'energy follows thought' the cosmic law of attraction. And thought creates emotions.

Also interesting that when people suffer from mental health problems they describe it as being in a 'black hole' a 'black pit'. A place where one can see no light at the end of the tunnel. But one does not have to stay there forever one can reverse the programmes and the trends and the phoenix can indeed rise out of the ashes with the right help at the right time. So one could say that one is working through a self created hell enabling one to create the paradise within so that the divine being/spiritual self can fly once more.

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[Sacredstar]

Mark 9:44-48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. (I would say their anger is not quenched) 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: (one could say in cutting them off one is stopping them in their tracks) it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Again I see this as it is better for us to stop them in their tracks so that they address their own anger issues then doing nothing and allowing them to take themselves deeper into transgression of cosmic law. ).

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, ( I see this as their view or e.g. if their perception offends you deal with it) pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. (KJV)

What did Christ mean by these statements?  Was Christ referring to this "worm" as being immortal?  It is very important to understand why certain words are biblically used to represent something, or show a certain meaning.  Christ quoted "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" from Isa. 66:24, which says this would happen to the men that have transgressed against God.

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. (KJV) (So what he is saying here is that if one's anger is not resolved it will harm the physical body).

This "worm" in Isa. 66:24 is no. 08438 in Strong's Lexicon.  Notice that this "worm" was used thirty four times to express and represent a certain color called "scarlet".

And we know of the saying that when one is embarrased they go red or scarlet. It is also said that Christ was also dressed in scarlet and given a crown of thorns so in effect the Jews were calling Christ a worm.

"But I am a worm..." - Psalm 22:6

John Gill
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But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. (Psalm 22:6)

Christ calls himself "a worm" ... on account of the opinion that men of the world had of him. ... The Jews esteemed Christ as a worm, and treated him as such; he was loathsome to them and hated by them; every one trampled upon him, and trod him under foot as men do worms. ... The Chaldee paraphrase renders it here a weak worm; and though Christ is the mighty God, and is also the Son of man, whom God made strong for himself; yet there was a weakness in his human nature, and he was crucified through it (2 Cor. 13:4): and it has been observed by some, that the (Hebrew) word 'towla' there used signifies the scarlet worm, or the worm that is in the grain or berry with which scarlet is dyed: and like this scarlet worm did our Lord look, when by way of mockery he was clothed with a scarlet robe; and especially when he appeared in his dyed garments, and was red in his apparel, as one that treadeth in the wine fat; when his body was covered with blood when he hung upon the cross, which was shed to make crimson and scarlet sins as white as snow.

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"You are the children of the understanding heart...Joy to the man who has discovered himself, and awakened and blessed is he who openeth the minds of the blind." The Gospel of Truth

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[Postmaster]

Thomas Aquinas reasoned that, since animals are not granted immortality, the undying "worm of the damned" must be the worm of regret and conscience rather than a physical worm (Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas).

The bible was written just less then 2000 years ago and on top of all that by people that were from a different ethnicity (race) to you and many western people and historians simply do not understand the words.. GOD IS THE LIGHT, GOD IS THE SHEPARD! Being both bought up in Greek and English culture I see how these phrases are used and they sound funny in English almost to the point they don’t even make sense. When the Japanese market a product in the west the call it by a totally different name.

If what you say is so obvious that Jesus called himself a worm and he was guilty of a crime then I'm sure people would have picked up on this and Christianity wouldn't have gone as far as it did had what you say been true. Jesus was referring to him as a worm, a worm that when first looked upon is dirty and disgusting, however when you look at it again, really it is beautiful and free and seems to come back to life.

 

[Sacredstar]

The bible was written just less then 2000 years ago and on top of all that by people that were from a different ethnicity (race) to you and many western people and historians simply do not understand the words.. GOD IS THE LIGHT, GOD IS THE SHEPARD! Being both bought up in Greek and English culture I see how these phrases are used and they sound funny in English almost to the point they don’t even make sense. When the Japanese market a product in the west the call it by a totally different name.If what you say is so obvious that Jesus called himself a worm and he was guilty of a crime then I'm sure people would have picked up on this and Christianity wouldn't have gone as far as it did had what you say been true. Jesus was referring to him as a worm, a worm that when first looked upon is dirty and disgusting, however when you look at it again, really it is beautiful and free and seems to come back to life.

Dear PM

I agree

GOD is love and love is way to live life forevermore
Well GOD is the light makes very good sense to me.
The only crime Jesus commited was being human and having human weakness. It is clearly stated in the bible for those that have the eyes to see.

Galatians Chapter 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, but yet he lived by the power of GOD.

I have already given the references where Jesus calls himself a worm.

Christianity only went as far as it did because people were forced to be believers through war. The people were not allowed access to the word of GOD in the bible, all words were specifically chosen and presented to the congregations by the priests. It wasn't until 1604 that the bible was translated into English and after 1611 the people had access although this date maybe later, because if you had a copy of the bible you could be killed in those days. In 1604 54 scholars worked on the King James Version and in 1611 it was revised again. Then if you accept that many people could not read or afford to purchase such a book you are talking about a minority that had real access and chose what they would convey.

This programme that was on TV at Christmas and it was excellent at conveying the facts about the bible.

Who wrote the Bible

http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/B/believeitornot/bible.html

Paul wrote most of the NT and he never ever met Jesus in real life.

Keep an open mind and heart dear friend and let GOD speak to you direct. Because GOD certainly plans to ensure that that all the truth is revealed during these end times so that there is never another war in his name.

But he will only reveal each part as the people become ready to hear it.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

 

[Sacredstar]

How did I discover this information about the worm?

One day a couple of people were not being very nice to me, at the time I was working with one of GOD's messengers St Jerome (he re-compiled the bible after Origen) and he said to me 'they are worms'. I had never heard of this term so I then studied the bible where I was shown where to look and find various passages relating to the worm. So in this context what did it mean to the situation that I had faced?

People being negative were the worms. Now how does this relate to Jesus?

Jesus told the priests off, he did not communicate with love and compassion to the priests he did not reach their hearts, he basically told them to walk their talk and clean the insides of themselves. He told them off good and proper. So the Jewish priests were offended by the way he communicated with them. Jesus like us learnt and evolved on his journey and he does his best now to teach us not to make the same mistakes that he made in communicating with his contemporaries.

I can appreciate how he must have felt about to be killed, that he had done wrong and that he had let GOD down, hence why he called himself a worm, he knew what he had said to some people and 'GOD hath you forsaken me?"

I am not saying that he did wrong because he as taught me that all is perfect in GOD's domain there is no wrong and right because we choose it and everything is for our highest good when we learn from life itself and turn every negative situation into a positive opportunity.

The worm is also a symbol of humility.

Do I feel Jesus died for our sins no I do not and I do not feel that Jesus thought he would be killed hence why he said to GOD 'hath you forsaken me' I feel that at that point he thought he would be saved by the power of GOD.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

 

[Bandit]

I am trying to figure some of this out now. i dont think Jesus was this mooshy gooshy push over nicey nicey guy all the time. i see him as being full of unconditional love but at the same time he defended what was right with the truth and he did it with authority, stern, forward. he did not hesiate to call someone a devil or hypocrite. But I dont think he ever lifted his fist to anyone.

I think Paul wrote only about half of the NT. 13 letters.


I think there is a lot more that happened there at calvary than we may ever know. Jesus was a man, son of man and Son of God. I have to look more at the worm to see what I can add here.

I consider myself a worm, but I also call myself a child of God and we are all sons of God if we want to be.
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[Sacredstar]

Dear Bandit

Yes I agree with you but I feel Jesus also learnt that blaming and ridiculing others was not the way to reach people's hearts and souls. Hence why he gave up with his contemporaries and concentrated on helping what is considered to be 'lost souls' by religion.

Interesting also the term opening up a whole can of worms.

In July during meditation I was given the name Pliny so this led me to discover more. This is a copy from another post I made at that time. I was also guided that the worm is symbolic of the 'human soul' and the 'divine nature' is the spirit which represents the Angel and GOD spark within.

Which may reference to the Dead Sea Scrolls when they said 'that man was born with two spirits one that brings truth and the other that brings falsehood.' And so our objective must be to continue to purify the soul so that the soul body can merge with the spirit and grow into the fullness of GOD's perfection and creation.

Pliny the Elder

"In Pliny's account, a small worm appeared from his body that metamorphosed into a bird, and thus the Bennu was reborn."

The Phoenix Rising

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/8952/lit.html

and this link is even better

http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/phoenix.htm

Posted - 10 July 2004 :  7:18:11 PM              
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and back to Pliny

'and indeed it appears by the observations made through microscopes, that man, in his first state of generation, is really a worm {p};'

http://www.gospelcom.net/eword/comments/job/gill/job25.htm

Pliny says "One that is a judge of things may pity and be ashamed of the sorry original of the proudest of animals. By this short reply to Bildad, and which contains little more then what had been before said, it is plain that he was tired of the contraversy, and glad to give out.

I feel all of this is showing us that the worm can be transformed like the Phoenix Rising from the ashes, through teaching the soul to fly through purification, the soul is able to merge more fully with the Christ within and unite with the GODhead in word, thought and deed.

Another 21st century term to describe this would be to raise one's consciousness and in so doing one's entire state of being. Healers like myself call these various initiations rebirth and Jesus said 'one must be reborn to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.' So very true and this is exactly how it feels when one's consciousness as risen into a different and heightened state.

What say you?

Sacredstar

 

[Bandit]

I see the part of the worm/catepillar that turns into a butterfly after death as the soul is free to fly.

I see there in Job 25, the first worm is just a worm and the latter son of man is used in connection with the color scarlet.

The Avalerion- there is only ever one pair of these birds. Every 60 years they produce 2 eggs, and when the eggs hatch the parents drown themselves. They are found in India.

this Avelerion and the Pheonix are they not mythical birds? and that is where they are getting the two spirits from? (two eggs)
I would see that as man being 'influenced' by two spirits, one spirit of God and the other spirit of satan.

As for starting out LITERALLY as a worm, I dont see that as possible because the tabernacle of God is with men and not worms. But in type I see how that would be.
I do see how this would be a basic universal teaching.

I know man is a living breathing, dying bacteria and the flesh will turn into worms. This germlife (worm) of Adam does not die and is passed down to all generations. In all of that, I see man is a worm, and that the spirit/soul of man is what is being perfected inside the cacoon and will become a butterfly. This of course I see in type and not literal as in some passed life form.

I also know that the worm struggles and fights within the cacoon to become free as the butterfly. In fact the worm needs this struggle because it gives it the strenght it will need to fly when it breaks free. If the cacoon is cut open too early the butterfly may not be able to fly.

I suppose it is even possible for man to allow the outer worm to eat up his soul without realizing it. There is another saying about people on boards (like administration and politics) When you lift up the boards from the ground, you will find a lot of worms under it. Interesting heh?

So, Jesus as son of man would be the worm in a cacoon and as Son of God would be the butterfly as in perfection.

I think there may be a different type of worm in reference to those who are evil continually, like as maggots who multiply viciously and rapidly. I also saw serpant in one of the definitions.

I think for the most part this is all true

 

[Sacredstar]

Dear Bandit

I see the part of the worm/catepillar that turns into a butterfly after death as the soul is free to fly.

I particularly like this analogy because the first time I saw Archangel Michael he said 'self development is about teaching the soul to fly' and I am blessed to be able to show people how this is possible.

To me the soul requires purification but the spirit is pure and the more self development we do the more our soul is purified and then it can fully merge with the spirit in oneness.

For the butterfly to fly it requires complete surrender of human control and domination, surrendering to the soul and the spirit within and in so doing one comes into alignment and the two energies become one.

Complete surrender is not easy for people to do but it is indeed possible. Then once our wings are spread out we then have to learn how to fly unhindered by human needs, and desires, compelled by love from the heart of the soul to fly divine.

For me it is like driving a helicopter, seeing the beautiful view and spirit sit beside me navigating the trip.

Blessings in abundance

Sacredstar

 

[Faithfulservant]

I have a couple questions SS.. I was reading this thread again and I had noticed you saying that Paul wrote most of the NT but never met Jesus in real life.. But he heard the voice of Jesus and witnessed a great light and Jesus asked him why he was persecuting him.. this was a man that had persecuted Christians.. we believe he was taught by God what he was to teach us.. he was fully jewish and fully christian.

Should we believe him?

You say that you've had Jesus overshadow you.. that you've talked to Mary and the archangel Michael.. that they have shared divine truths with you.

Should we believe you?

I didnt intend this as criticism just a point Im trying to make.

 

[Sacredstar]

Dear Faithfulservant

If you believe Paul you have no reason to disbelieve me.

If I ever had any doubt about Paul's visions and experiences Jesus certainly taught me otherwise when he said to me 'today you will go to Damascus' that day we did walk together and much was revealed, we did not go to Damascus the place but the experience and briefing that I encountered was similar to Pauls.

So yes I support Paul's portrayal/experiences but I am also mindful that it is GOD's will that people are made aware of who tampered with the bible.

I also support the importance of creating awareness of the misinformation on 'who wrote the bible' as this shall be continually revealed. For it is GOD's will.

Blessings in abundance

Sacredstar