Israel and Palestine - Roadmap

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  1. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Admin

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    I know - that's the mad thing about it all. At least while the USA kept it's interest fixed on the issue then Sharon could be held back a little - and at least threaten a breaking of the retaliation cycle.

    I guess the whole situation now is moving towards a head - attacking the spiritual leader of Hamas may make for a tactical military target, but it also opens the promise of more savage violence.

    I was quite hopeful before, but Sharon and Arafat now seem in the way of peaceful progress, rather than able helmsmen to steer it through.

    I guess the sides involved are more used to such let downs, though. Shame they don't seem to count the cost of the loss of every opportunity.
     
  2. Baud

    Baud Seeker of Knowledge

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    I think one of the major problems of the conflict at this stage is that the Palestinian Authority has only limited control over the Palestinian terrorists, organized or not. When terrorist attacks occur, they only condemn them, but know fairly well they cannot do much about it, and would look "bad" towards their population if they would actively crack down on terrorists (that a number of people see as heroes).

    Israel is obviously forced to take offensive measures against the terrorists, because the Palestinian Authority cannot and/or would not, and because the Israeli government - both Likud and Labor - has very regulary said they would not negotiate with terrorists, and would appear weak towards their constituants if they would not retaliate.

    Obviously, retaliation makes more Palestinians angry, etc. In the end, it's fairly simple... :(

    Contrarily to what petertdavis said, I don't think that religion plays an important role in the conflict. Its root cause is ownership of the land. Following the wars in the region, the Palestinian people is poor, lives for a part in refugee camps, has limited access to water, roads and work, and obviously hates Israel for this. It is true that some of them would do anything to see Israel off the map, but would not necessarily want to see the Jews dissapear. If all the Jews were elsewhere, the Palestinians would most probably not give a damn about them.

    The same is true of Osama Bin Laden. His main claims against the West is the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, the support of the West for the "corrupt" governments of the Gulf area, and the involvement of the West in the affairs of the region (e.g. in Iraq). This is obviously presnted under color of religion ("the new crusade of the infidels and the jews"), but the root causes are mostly geoplitical and social.

    If the negative spiral of violence in Israel/Palestine is easy to explain, the biggest problem is to find a solution. We've had long discussions on the subject with fellow students when I was studying international politics, but no one was able to come-up with a solution that was workable and realistic.

    Not very useful, I know...

    Baud
     
  3. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    A lot has happened in the past two years since the last post here.
    And while this is a valid point...it actually points at all of us and in both directions. The world wants the oil, the various sects have various claims to the religious sites...

    I see someday the universal church as discussed on another thread becoming a reality in Jerusalem, a new walled international city similar to the vatican except Jews, Muslims, Christians, and all religions have places to worship while they come and visit the amazing historical and religious sites.

    Outside the walls will probably emerge amusement parks and casinos funded by Disney and Vegas which will give rides through the belly of the fish, while helping to bring tourists and fund the historical renovations in the old city...

    It'll be the day when all war stops due to the growth of Amway and other network marketing companies....as no one will want to kill their downline.
     
  4. Samuel Linton Boot

    Samuel Linton Boot Subdued Member

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    Please don't get upset but I'm not sure about the two state solution. Mandella rejected the two or three state solution for South Africa, not that I'm making a comparison between the two situations, and he seems to know whats best. I think ultimately both sides will have to accept a secular state with equal rights for everyone and a right of return for refugees. Perhaps it could be called Israelestine or the Republic of Israel and Palestine, or R.I.P. for short and then hopefully everyone can rest in peace instead of in pieces.
     
  5. I am free

    I am free And anything is possible

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    That was a nice post Samuel & I agree with you.
     
  6. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    RIP is that yours?? that is quite interesting..
     
  7. Samuel Linton Boot

    Samuel Linton Boot Subdued Member

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    I am Free - thanks. Its a very emotive issue and I was worried my post might add fuel to the fire.

    Wil - I thought of the The Peoples Republic of Israel and Palestine then noticed the RIP acronym. I think your right in your previous post, religious leaders and persons will have to lead the way, by promoting Unity and condemning sectarianism.
     

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