God is very forgiving!

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The Christian God is a forgiving God. He is so forgiving that an evil man can repent even on his death bed. It does not matter what crime the evil man might have committed during his earthly life. The evil man might kill millions of people. The evil man might have raped women and abused children. The evil man might be the most evil person on earth. Yet, if on his death bed, he repented of his sins and asked Jesus into his life to be his savior, the Christian God will forgive him of all the evil he had done during his life. That is just how forgiving the Christian God can be.


This forgiveness of the Christian God, that is so unlimited in its depth, is a stumbling block for many people. Many people cannot accept the depth of God's forgiveness. They think that God is unjust to let a truly evil man escape his punishment simply because the evil man repents of his sins at the very last minute. These people think that the evil person ought to be punished for his sins and does not deserve to be forgiven. These views reflect not on the flaws of the Christian God but reflect on the flaws of the people who hold these views.

In Ezekiel 18:21-29, the bible talks about how a wicked man will be forgiven if he turns from his sins and decides to do righteous arts, and the Israelites are not happy with this fact. To them, God is unjust, because He forgives the wicked man. Yet, God refutes the Israelites by saying that it is not God who is unjust, but it is the Israelites that are unjust.

When a person cannot accept that God will forgive a very evil man who repents at the last minute, the person is the one who is at fault. God's forgiveness has no flaw. God is so forgiving that He will give chances to the most evil of men. The person who finds fault with the forgiveness of God is the one at fault. He or she reveals his or her lack of forgiveness. Perfect forgiveness means being able to accept and forgive even the most evil of men. God is perfectly forgiving, and hence He is able to forgive a repenting evil man. People who criticize God for His perfect forgiveness only reflect their own imperfect forgiveness. Unlike God, such people have a limit to their forgiveness. They are able only to forgive minor sinners, they are not able to forgive major sinners. This flaw in forgiveness from such people is in reality a sin. Therefore, it is no wonder that God questions the justness of such people in Ezekiel 18:21-29.

Knowing that it is a fault to not forgive someone, we as Christians ought to be able to forgive and love the most evil of all men. Knowing that God's forgiveness is extended to everyone, including even the most evil of men, we as Christians need to change the way in which we perceive sinners. When we see an evil person, we ought to pray for his or her salvation instead of his or her destruction. Sadly, that is not what we are doing today. When we see a Muslim terrorist, we want the terrorist to be brought to justice. We desire the terrorist to die. We yearn for the death of a wicked person more than the salvation of such a person. In this manner, our hearts are not forgiving. We do not see sinners with the eyes of God. We need to repent of our unforgiving hearts and start to see sinners in a forgiving light.

We need to be like Stephen in Acts 7:60, who pray for God not to hold the people who stoned him guilty. Stephen forgave the evil men who stoned him to death. He had a heart of forgiveness for evil people. This heart of forgiveness in Stephen probably led to the conversion of the evil Saul, who would later become the famous Paul.
Saul was an evil man. He persecuted the Christians and he approved the death of Stephen. Yet, this same evil man was forgiven by God, and he repented and became an apostle of great faith. It was this evil man Saul, who later became Paul that God used to bring the gospels to the gentiles, namely us.

Think how great it will be if all the evil men like the dictator leader of North Korea, Osama Bin Laden and all terrorist repented and become like Paul. This will bring more glories, honors and praises to God than their deaths. Therefore, as Christians, we ought to pray for the salvations of all men, including very evil, very undeserving men.
 

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Peace be with you, @chongjasmine :)

Indeed, God is more forgiving than a mother to her child.

You discuss the evil man who repents on his death bed..
..yes, God is able to forgive whomsoever He wills.
However, we must not forget that Almighty God knows our deepest thoughts.
i.e. He knows whether we are sincere or not

This is why a person might be forgiven on his death bed.
It is not a given .. we cannot think that we can be sinners and say sorry at the last moment,
and there will be no consequence. God is the fairest of all judges. We reap what we sow.
Our underlying intentions are known to God .. nothing is hidden.
 

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Maybe you could explain all the 'forgiving' presented here?

1 Chronicles 21
-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people

Deuteronomy 3
-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value

Joshua 6
-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses”
-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead

2 Kings 10:18-27
God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!

Judges 21:10-24
God has an entire town killed and the virgins repeatedly raped, and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.

Numbers 31:7-18
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men . . . Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house . . . After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife."
 

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The only sin he does not forgive is for someone to call himself the " I am " that is the unforgiveable sin and he forgives all he is really so good we do not deserve it.
 

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The only sin he does not forgive is for someone to call himself the " I am " that is the unforgiveable sin and he forgives all he is really so good we do not deserve it.
Lol, the previous post said I ain't worthy, not good in her eyes, now she is forgiving?

I am my light and my way

I am ignites a spark to my higher self.

My standard answer to how are you is "I am" for the past 40 years, why? Because it is better than the option, why? Because of folks who freak out? Why Because your G!d loves me for it?

I am alive
I am not in a wheel chair
I am, because I believe I am

And @davidsheep88 I believe you are too!
 

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Yes write but if you say your are G-d and take his name and say your god in that manner it was talking the Hebrew people say it. Say your G-d and you are the " I am " is what the lord syas is the sin that cannot be forgiving. He forgives us of our nature but by law. G-d loves all of us being A consuming fire or coming inside A man like jesus and been amongst us and writting in the bible that he wil protect Israel as A mother ebar or mother eagle or A mother for her children he is G-d and beyond us. ;D
 

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Yes write but if you say your are G-d and take his name and say your god in that manner it was talking the Hebrew people say it.
That's it..
It's the same in Islam.

Almighty God can forgive any sin, even murder, but not ascribing partners to God [ shirk ]

Now, some will say it is because G-d is a "jealous God" .. thinking that one would be punished out of spite.
..but my understanding is that ascribing partners, such as claiming somebody or something is G-d,
is in effect creating their own brand of ultimate authority. :oops:

That not only causes one to be astray, but also leads others astray .. a serious business!
 

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The only sin he does not forgive is for someone to call himself the " I am " that is the unforgiveable sin and he forgives all he is really so good we do not deserve it.
Yes that is usually the Antichrist. (Who could see themselves as a beleiver)

It can be a person that offers they speak on behalf of Jesus without the authority of "I Am", which means all of us humans, to which we will all face judgement, faith or no faith.

The mercy and bounty of God is unlimited, as is God's punishment and justice.

We live a life not realising that as a result of our choices and our actions, that we are already immersed in either forgiveness, or are already facing punishment and justice.

Regards Tony
 

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No one's too late G-d forgives you wil he forgives us all. He could end it all and world war 3 would already happen how manyt imes the wordl would of ended with George Bush , Barack Obama, and Donald Trum and it hasn't.

G-d lets man hit himslef and the wall and destroy his room. So the next day he is happy and relax nad lets him forgive himself and later rebuke his way and gives hi A chance tog et abptized and free himself from bondage and all his weights.

Since world war 2 we deserve to be punish all of humanity for letting such world war 2 happen such horrid thing we all humans do to each other. ;-;
He lets us live.
 

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Maybe you could explain all the 'forgiving' presented here?

1 Chronicles 21
-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people

Deuteronomy 3
-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value

Joshua 6
-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses”
-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead

2 Kings 10:18-27
God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!

Judges 21:10-24
God has an entire town killed and the virgins repeatedly raped, and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.

Numbers 31:7-18
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men . . . Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house . . . After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife."
Yes God sent a plague among Israel because David sinned in calling for a census.
God also sent Israel into Palestine to exterminate the Palestinians who were giants, and were worshiping Ba'Allah, Mologh, El,Agballah, and Asteroth.
They were holding temple brothels, religious orgies, and burned their firstborn male babies alive to their gods.
They were Mushrikin, and Kufar.
They associated other gods with Allah.
Allah had to kill them off, thats why He sent Israel into Palestine to be their land forever.
Allah also killed Aad, and Thamud and many other cities where people refused to listen to their Messengers from Allah.
he overturned Sodom and Gomorrah.
So, what is the problem?
 

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Yes God sent a plague among Israel because David sinned in calling for a census.
God also sent Israel into Palestine to exterminate the Palestinians who were giants, and were worshiping Ba'Allah, Mologh, El,Agballah, and Asteroth.
They were holding temple brothels, religious orgies, and burned their firstborn male babies alive to their gods.
They were Mushrikin, and Kufar.
They associated other gods with Allah.
Allah had to kill them off, thats why He sent Israel into Palestine to be their land forever.
Allah also killed Aad, and Thamud and many other cities where people refused to listen to their Messengers from Allah.
he overturned Sodom and Gomorrah.
So, what is the problem?
The 'problem' is obvious . . . this god is NOT a 'Forgiving God' which this thread is about.
In fact, this god is a ruthless tyrant and Hellbent on conquering the human race no matter what the cost.
Here are a few more wonderful things the mass-murdering Christian deity managed to execute . . . if you would like a breakdown of the twisted and horrific Islamic imposter feel free to inquire.


(4 Kings 2:23-24)
God sent two bears to maul 42 kids to death for making fun of a bald dude.

(Genesis 19:26)
God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed.

(Leviticus 21:17-24)
God does not want coming into his churches: People with blemishes, blind people, the lame, those with flat noses, dwarves, people with scurvy, people with bad eyes, people with bad skin, and those that "hath their stones broken." God is technically responsible for giving people all of these afflictions in the first place.

(Exodus 4:24-26)
There is literally no explanation given in the Bible for God's decision to murder one of his chief supporters. The line is "At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him." The only sensible explanation for this is that God was drunk out of his mind and looking for a bar fight, and you better hope that's correct because the alternative is that God's a psychopath.

(Genesis 38:1-10)
Onan and his brother Er. God does not care for Er, and kills him. Standard God operating procedure. Onan's father orders Onan to have sex with Er's wife — not marry, by the way, just have sex with. This is actually pretty awkward for Onan, sleeping with his sister-in-law, and rather than give her any more kids (she had two with Er already) he pulls out. God is so infuriated that Onan did not fuck his sister-in-law to completion that he kills him, too. Now, you could argue that God demands that intercourse be used specifically for procreation, but given how much God loves killing babies and children, I don't think his motives here are exceptionally pure.

(Judges 14:1-19)
More evidence that God is possibly a low-level mobster: When his pal Samson got married, he was given 30 friends, and he posed them (a completely insane) riddle. Then he made a bet that if they could solve it in a week, Samson would give them all new clothes, but if they couldn't they would give Samson 30 pairs of new clothes. Well, Samson's wife wheedled the answer out of him and then told these dudes, at which point an angry Samson had to pay up. And here's where God comes in — literally, into Samson, giving him the power to murder 30 random people for their clothes. Only a true friend would help you commit mass murder to settle a completely stupid bet.

Best of luck with this . . .
 

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@Aupmanyav clarified it. BhagawadGita also, for for @ Aupmanyav, is not any God's word. It is poetry written around the beginning of Christian era, and has poetry from many people.
 

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So the Bible is poetry and is so for believers. Now poetry can be tricky and in my experience is not on the reading list of that many people. So I have to ask how do large numbers of people know what to take from it and why is it used in preference to plain speech?
 
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