Absolute Truth

EricPH said:
Beliefs on their own can do no harm. It is what we choose to do with our belief that can cause good or evil.
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Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that a belief that leads to good action and doesn't lead to bad action is good even if it doesn't meet absolute truth.
But a misguided belief may harm the soul; e.g., if someone thinks that all disbelievers should be killed, it will harm the soul even if the person doesn't actually kill all people he or she thinks are disbelievers.
 
Vasu Devan said:
Is there a difference between truth and 'a believed idea'?
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Yes, there is.
There are objective truths.
Are some harder to ascertain? Again yes. Are some harder to ascertain for oneself? Sure.
Is it not fair to say, though, that it was once believed that evil spirits caused illnesses and it is now known that microscopic pathogens are the cause?
Is it not fair to say that oops, I believed my cat was inside, but I now know they were out on the porch? And now I have made sure they are inside? 🤔
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juantoo3 said:
But Reality IS, regardless of experience. I can agree with you that the mind categorizes memories, so each individual will have a different memory library, based on their personal experiences...each experiences the whole, but in a unique way.

Reality exists whether we believe it or not, it simply is
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YES 😑 👍
 
@TheLightWithin
Yes, you can verify a truth for the present. But we live in a reality that always has an uncertain future and our natural and created tools of information have limited spheres of access. The truths of scientific medicine in the past are very different from its truths today. Even with science as the best system for finding the closest approximation of a truth over time, what is disseminated to the public may be intentionally altered into a deception for personal gain by those claiming to speak the truth.

Due to ongoing but not so commonly paraded facts like the replication crisis, fields of science like biology, medicine and psychology in particular are not the rock hard bastions of truth we are led to believe.
 
Vasu Devan said:
@TheLightWithin
Yes, you can verify a truth for the present. But we live in a reality that always has an uncertain future and our natural and created tools of information have limited spheres of access. The truths of scientific medicine in the past are very different from its truths today. Even with science as the best system for finding the closest approximation of a truth over time, what is disseminated to the public may be intentionally altered into a deception for personal gain by those claiming to speak the truth.
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Begging apology, I'm not TheLightWithin, and I don't portray her on TV, but if I may?

I know there are those that teach that the "stuff" of reality can be manipulated by certain adepts. The story of the Golem being only one famous example.

I don't fully buy the "manipulation of reality" as anything permanent. G!d has the final say.
Vasu Devan said:
Due to ongoing but not so commonly paraded facts like the replication crisis, fields of science like biology, medicine and psychology in particular are not the rock hard bastions of truth we are led to believe.
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OK, but this is done by those seeking to exert political power at the highest levels.

There was a time, not so long ago, science was about discovering "truth" in the form of reality. We've come a long way from Descartes, Medieval Alchemy, various Greek scientists and medicine men, and back into Oriental alchemy, and probably to roots in the first proto-human brave enough to deliberately grab the other end of a branch that was on fire.

These times we live in now are not typical times. I'm afraid we are in interesting times...in the Chinese curse sort of way.
 
juantoo3 said:
These times we live in now are not typical times. I'm afraid we are in interesting times...in the Chinese curse sort of way.
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Agree fully with that! The major powers are bumping heads and some newcomers on the scene are also flexin' an' posin'! The US, which became the strongest nation on Earth, through the practice of deception and genocide is now facing threats both within and without which means everyone is on high alert and pretty twitchy. I am curious to see what the world will be like within the next 3 years. Got a feeling that some serious fun is about to unfold and since I have no responsibilities or reproductions and am only eager for death(though not directly through my own hand), I can watch these changes with no fear and am watching with interest.
 
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TheLightWithin said:
My cats exist.
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Difficult to accept that while we are on internet. Are you human or a bot (Interfaith.org does not put its visitors to this check as some other forums do)? If you are a human, what proves that you have cats. You may post a picture of a woman with her or her neighbor's cats. Basically you are making a claim. To prove it, you need to provide a photograph of your passport page with your image and then a your photograph with the cats, prior to this date, saying that these are your cats. Then perhaps I will probably accept it.
You see, there are claims galore. For every thousand people in India, there is an enlightened person, or one with messages from Gods, or one who is an incarnation of some God. How can we believe that if no evidence is provided?
 
juantoo3 said:
Reality exists whether we believe it or not, it simply is.
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I agree with you, but what kind of reality is it? Is it a reality with two phases - existence and non-existence.
Some people say that existence arose out of non-existence, and in a similar way, it can disappear in non-existence.
We can't make a sense of it at the moment, just as at one time, we did not accept Relativity of Quantum Mechanics.
juantoo3 said:
..but none of us is "big enough" to take in the whole of reality.
Would you say this is correct?
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True, not even the brightest scientist, at the moment.
 
juantoo3 said:
What I've been trying to say all along is that shoes are not even required. We all can walk just fine without them, although we would have to learn not to walk on broken glass or through briar patches...and both of the churches, red *and* green shoes, would ostracize the one with no shoes, not understanding that shoes were not required at all to walk.
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juantoo3 said:
If I attempt to do so on my own, I will face obstacles of which I am unaware and unprepared to meet.
So my hesitation is one of caution, not of disbelief or academic incomprehension.
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Surely, you would. But then why be afraid, face them as they confront you. Or one remains where one was, no progress.
Success always has some cost.
 
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