What is Love?

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Sacredstar, Feb 11, 2005.

  1. Sacredstar

    Sacredstar New Member

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    Love and the different motivations for it was raised on other thread so I thought it might be good to start a thread on love.

    Love yourself enough, then love can conquer all, you just have to love enough.

    For many people love in today's society is not really love, but a mixture of desire to love, and the desire to be loved, plus a willingness to do anything to show and evoke this sentiment, and consequently to be more comfortable in one's own life. There is no greater force than the healing power of unconditional love, love doesn't destroy us, we destroy ourselves because of the way we think. Divine unconditional love is the most powerful energy in the universe, it is at the base of all creation. There is a big difference between love and unconditional love, being in love and loving. Unconditional love and loving comes from our higher self — the heart of our soul, being in love comes from our lower earthly physical self which is created by our thought -led emotions and sexual desires which create the hormonal effect of Being -in-Love.

    LOVE OR HAPPINESS?

    When we make a conscious decision to fall in love with someone this type of love is created by our thoughts and so many people mistake happiness for love. When we first start going out with someone, we are really happy, we are on a high, adrenaline running faster, feelings become all powerful, all our energy seems to be taken up by thinking about this person all of the time, we think we are falling in love but what we are actually doing is falling in love with happiness.

    If we can make a conscious decision to allow ourselves to fall in love, then we can also reverse this thought pattern and talk ourselves out of being in love, just by the way we think. Some people are very good at this one, we can all go astray on the path of life, it isn't wrong to love someone who doesn't love us but can you love this person unconditionally? If you can this altruistic love may not offer you the nurturing tender love care that everyone searches for. A relationship may not be the answer — the first person to love unconditionally is YOU!

    Until you love yourself you cannot truly love another.

    Their are six types of love:

    Love of the eye – falling for someone's looks

    Love resulting from lust — created by our thought- led hormone reaction

    Love resulting from the imagination — created by our thoughts and fantasies

    Love resulting from the perception of external objects — power, money and position

    Love acquired by continual habit or family responsibility

    Love that is divine, altruistic and unconditional which comes from the heart centre of our soul.

    Unconditional love is a passive word and a state of being
    Compassion is an active word it means to take compassionate action
    It is when you intertwine them both that you become divine love
    in manifestation on the earth plane.

    Unconditional love does not mean that you allow others to trample all over your soul otherwise there is nothing left but feeling bereft.

    Love with all your heart but your soul belongs to GOD.


    Kim©1999

    And so it is entirely possible for Jesus to give Magdalene his unconditional and altruistic love, this does not mean that Mary was more important then his father in heaven, it just means that Jesus practiced what he preached.

    And so it is that humanity can also learn to love GOD above all else but from professional experience it takes effort by people to heal the needs and desires in the lower levels of consciousness to enable one to truly shift one's energy into the heart centre.

    Everyone can achieve the perfect love of GOD when they have the pure intent and will to do so.

    Love beyond measure

    Kim
     
  2. Sacredstar

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    another aspect of love

    Making love is not a commodity,
    It is not meant to be a mint for after dinner.

    Making love is a sacred celebration of life, love and divinity.

    To honour the creator within entwined in one heart, uniting as one in the pleasure of a meditative state of being.

    Take time to honour the experience,
    Create a banquet of a feast,
    Cherish, bless and anoint the human form,
    Fill the temple with the sound of music, candles and incense.
    Experience the ecstasy and the joy of creation.
    Sacred love that is the birth of new life and generation.
    Making love releases a powerful healing energy direct from the source.
    Give pleasure in being GOD's creation.

    From 'Sacred Words' Kim©2004
     
  3. Xandrew

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    I really really wish I knew
     
  4. Sacredstar

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    Dear Xandrew

    There is nothing like a Reiki Healing course to open up that heart chakra......and shift the energy.

    Love beyond measure

    Sacredstar
     
  5. Postmaster

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    Love is something we all have, but love is something we all do not preach. Love is the way you treat and accept someone that has absolutely no use to you.

    Lust and infatuation are what many, almost all really think of the word love. The love for your family, your brother, your wife is not love, it’s a physical attachment known as lust and infatuation. People that share your genes, people that will give you a child and people that have given you a child. The purest love should cause no feeling in your gut. Don't try mess your self up over it, we are only human.
     
  6. Faithfulservant

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    PM--the purest love should cause no feeling in your gut? Says who? Being a parent of two beautiful children oftentimes the love I feel for them is a definite GUT feeling.. when my heart is hurting for them my GUT hurts.. When im overwhelmed with love for them.. its a GUT feeling. When they are away and I miss them I for sure feel it in my GUT. When Im fearful for them... its in the GUT I feel it... Im not sure where you came up with this but its wrong.

    SS--This whole post seems to revolve around the argument that Jesus had a sexual relationship with Mary Magdalene.. Which is just plain silly from a Christian standpoint however I can understand it from a New-Agers standpoint since they dont believe that Jesus was God. I dont really think that you need to try to force this point with people because its one of those topics that most people are just going to have to agree to disagree.

    I know that you believe that you are a teacher of truths but many of your truths are completely against what Christianity teaches and we cannot accept them without denying the Spirit of Truth. It was very informative though but I dont believe it touched on the wholeness of Gods love which surpasses anything we could ever imagine.
     
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    Nah... I've thought about this and each view might be different but for me true love is you should love your child no more then you love a homeless person on the street.
     
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    Wait till you have children.. God gave us his only begotten son to die for our sins.. It wasnt some homeless guy on the streets.

    Would your parents disinherit you because that homeless guy on the streets needed a job more than you did in their restaurant? I dont think so.. would you expect them too? You would be a better person than most.

    I dont question that you thought about it.. but I do not believe that you were realistic in your thought process.
     
  9. Postmaster

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    Think your losing the point... I don't feel like that at all :)

    I'm just giving you my idea of what I think the purest love is.

    Personally I would choose my family and partner over anyone else in many situations. But I feel this is wrong, we are all equally the same. We should treat all people how a mother would treat her child.
     
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    Dear PM

    I agree with you, you have truly understood the pure intent for this thread.

    Nobody should come before GOD and all are equal in GOD's eyes. As Jesus said one should love your enemy as yourself. Equality of love is the love of GOD.

    Pain over children or partners is attachment not unconditional love. True unconditional love is a state of being and total peace, any other feeling is emotion not love. If it hurts it is not real love and that is a good phrase to remember in relationships.

    Which is why Jesus told his followers if they could not leave their families they could not follow him, I feel he was referring to attachment here and teaching them detachment.

    Love beyond measure

    Sacredstar
     
  11. Sacredstar

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    PS

    Jesus gave us two laws, one to love God, the other to love your neighbor as yourself...which is emphasised in the bible stories of the Good Samaritan.

    So yes the person in need that GOD brings has not only come before my own child or partners during my life but also before myself, and at times this as been to the detriment of myself and my own health. So the law of balance is important also for we are not much good at fulfilling GODs will to good if we allow ourselves to become sick as well. So compassion for self must also be taken into account and not forgotten, hence love your neighbour as yourself.

    Sacredstar
     
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    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Hello All,

    There is nothing passive about Love. I'm sorry. This is a mistake in thought, and a tragedy in action. No one can "Love enough" because we didn't invent the concept. God did. Like Sacred has said over and over, we are quite capable of "compassion", but we can't even love within our own family circle (unconditionally). Oh, we are so great at expressing outward appearances, but once we get home, the real test begins. In fact, it actually begins here.

    There are so many people out there that we can't stand, becuase of our bias. But, we try like hell to. Here is love in action. We accept them as they are, regardless of their impositions, and contrary to our own way of thinking.

    "And may you be". That is a good prayer for all. And when we speak and find ourselves at odds, then we say, "Let us agree to disagree, and may you be".

    Love also has another take on this (Biblically speaking), oh I know some of you hate my bringing this to the fore front, but it is comparative-religion, afterall...

    13:1 If I speak with the languages of men and of angels,
    but don't have love, I have become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.


    13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge;
    and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but don't have love, I am nothing.

    13:3 If I dole out all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned,


    but don't have love, it profits me nothing.
    13:4 Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy.

    Love doesn't brag, is not proud,
    13:5 doesn't behave itself inappropriately,
    doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil;
    13:6 doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
    13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
    13:8 Love never fails.
    But where there are prophecies, they will be done away with.

    Where there are various languages, they will cease.


    Where there is knowledge, it will be done away with.
    13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;

    13:10 but when that which is complete has come,
    then that which is partial will be done away with.
    13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child.
    Now that I have become a man, I have put away childish things.
    13:12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face.
    Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, even as I was also fully known.
    13:13 But now faith, hope, and love remain--these three.

    The greatest of these is love.


    I know a bit of what that means Sacred. How am I doing?

    v/r

    Q
     
  14. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

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    Hi Q,

    I fully agree with your post. And, yeah, that Paul sure did have a way with words, didn't he :) .

    Thanks,
    lunamoth
     
  15. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Bien sur Luna, Le Monsier nous a compris, très bien. N' est pas?

    v/r

    Q
     
  16. ISFP

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    oh..... love. that's tough!

    my own understanding of love is "love is a selfless desire to see another's life flourish". if you're loving a person, anyway.

    what about loving God or loving Truth?
     
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    Mais oui!
     
  18. Visitor

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    Dear Postmaster
    Love for one's family should not be considered under the idea of love as lust (husband/wife) or infatuation (children). Families and those closest to us are precisely the ones who are more likely to cause us the greatest level of pain at times because of the depth of our attatchment to them. For this reason love in this context more often has to be unconditional in its expression and nature. But you are right insofar as love should not be conditioned by the return we get for our investment in someone. If God loved us on this basis we wouldn't travel far at all!
    As for the penultimate sentence in your post, I must say that our gut feelings and emotions are an important part of our humanity and do have a role to play in the nature of love and how we respond to God and others. However 'feelings' as such shouldn't determine our actions towards those around us (even though they do most of the time:) !).
     
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    I think we're all being a bit too analytical here. There is some truth in all these strictures and quibbles. But in the end, we can't love purely as God does because we're not God, we're human, we make mistakes, we mess up all the time. When we love we'd better just close our eyes and jump in with both feet, because to do anything less would not be loving, it would be calculating.

    And we don't "decide to fall in love". It just happens. Open up, people :)

    VC
     
  20. Sacredstar

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    Dear Q

    One of the problems is that people do not truly love themselves and when one does not love the self unconditionally it is very hard to be that with others. I worked with some health and education workers and they could not even look in the mirror, look deep in their own eyes and tell themselves they loved themselves. If they cannot love themselves unconditionallly and GOD's creation how can they possibly give love to the community?

    Superiority masks and professional hats hide what needs to be healed and loved within. Which reminds me of Jesus when he told the priests in the temple to clean the inner.

    In the new era of transparency of Christ Consciousness.

    Love beyond measure

    Sacredstar
     

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