What is Love?

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  1. Sacredstar

    Sacredstar New Member

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    an example from matthew chapter 23

    16. Woe unto you, he blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

    17. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

    18. And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

    19. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

    22. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

    26. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and the platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

    28. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
     
  2. Blue

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    Is it just me that sees much hatred beneath those words?

    Is it just me that sees shouting - declarations - that say things that hardly have anything to do with 'love'? :confused:
     
  3. Sacredstar

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    Dear Blue

    Yes I agree in his frustration and impatience with his contemporaries Jesus became angry with them and so it is we are able to learn from the error of his human ways and triggers. One cannot demand that another heals the self and their inner because everyone wishes to feel loved due to their own unmet needs and man is more seduced by love then blame. If we blame others people close down and disconnect from us don't they? Which is what I feel happened with Jesus and the Jewish priests hence the bad feelings between them that eventually led to his death.

    For others to heal themselves we can show them the way with love and compassion, we can share the wisdom of our experience but only the individual can decide to find the willingness to heal the inner self and as Archangel Michael says 'some will win the game of life and some will remain lame'.

    The meaning of life is to work out the meaning of life hey!

    Love beyond measure

    Sacredstar
     
  4. Blue

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    Whoever was the author of that Gospel, they hardly do justice, SacredStar, to Jesus... perhaps, as you hint, only proving how human, rather than divine, he was. :)
     
  5. Sacredstar

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    Dear Blue

    Is it true that Paul wrote Matthew? Can't remember it did mention it on 'who wrote the bible' perhaps one of the others here on forum can enlighten us.

    Blessings in abundance

    Sacredstar
     
  6. Blue

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    I was also going to comment on:
    " 'some will win the game of life and some will remain lame'. "

    That seems to be rather less than wisdom... seems to me like rather like just stating the obvious... lame people don't win the 100 metre sprint!

    The fact is that the 'lame' often appear to win in their chosen fields... even famous poets( ;) ) dictators ( ;) ) and CEO's of big conglomerates.... but especially politicians.

    Many are patently lame, metaphorically or actually, and succeed! ;)
     
  7. Sacredstar

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    "The soul works through the heart of feeling, which is very different to emotion. The sea of emotion can be calm or stormy, but the soul moves like a tree, sensing and feeling its surroundings. Just being a tree. it grows and prospers, with the energy of the universe a true sentient being. Receiving the energy of the sun and refreshment from the rain, roots growing firm and strong. The tree is clearly the way to be at one with Brahman"

    Kim©2004

    and so it is that Jesus says hold my hand, trust me you can walk on water and above the sea of emotion.

    Dear Blue

    I guess it depends on the context of lame. Jesus called the priests and some of his contemporaties blind masters, lame, deaf and dumb. I think in this context it relates to willingness to open one's ears and eyes.

    I will post the full AM dictation it is called 'The Game of Life' as I cannot remember the main points of the dictation.

    Love beyond measure

    Sacredstar
     
  8. Sacredstar

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    This is interesting I discovered it when I was writing about love in 1998/9


    * Italian scientists have developed a blood test and completed research that proves that 'being in love' has an adverse effect on our brain cells and showed a common pattern similar to that of people with an obsessive-compulsive disorder. The blood shows a 40 per cent loss of protein which helps serotonin, a neurotransmitter, to travel from one cell to another. Researchers at the Psychiatry Institute at Pisa University defined someone as in love if they 'thought' about their partners for at least four hours a day. The results, published in the British Journal of Physchological Medicine show that after six to 18 months, the phases of falling in love changes, Professor Donatella Marazziti said. "It either ends completely or it turns into plain loving and high levels of protein then return to the cells'.
     
  9. Bandit

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    I have enjoyed reading others posts on this, so I thought I would add my own.
    This is what I think Love is, at least in part.:)
    1 Cor 13:4-7 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. (KJV)

    1 Cor 13:4-7 Love is patient, love is kind, {and} is not jealous; love does not brag {and} is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong {suffered,} does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (NAS)

    Love is patient. Love is tolerant toward others. Love endures trying circumstances with others and maintains an even temper.

    Love is kind. Love is compassionate towards others. Love is tender, considerate, and helpful.

    Love is not jealous. Love is not envious, does not desire anything another person may have, but instead is even thankful for the advantages of the other person.

    Love does not brag. Love does not boast about oneself. When we boast about ourselves, we put other people down by elevating ourselves above them. Boasting can make other people feel inferior to us.

    Love is not arrogant. Love is not conceited or puffed up with pride, does not elevate oneself above others, does not lord it over others.

    Love does not act unbecomingly. Love does not behave improperly towards others, does not take advantage of others in any circumstance. Love is well-mannered toward others in speech, in behavior, and in dress.

    Love does not seek its own. Love is not selfish. Love seeks the benefit of others before oneself.

    Love is not provoked. Love is not easily angered, does not respond to ill treatment from others.

    Love does not take into account a wrong. Love does not keep a record of injuries inflicted by others; true love is unconditional.

    Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness. Love does not rejoice when others do evil, but it rejoices when others do good. Love does not delight to see anyone involved in any form of evil.

    Love rejoices in the truth. Love rejoices when the truth is made known. Love never rejoices when someone is unjustly accused.

    Love bears all things. Love puts up with others when they are unpleasant, even when they continue to be unpleasant, unkind, and unloving.

    Love believes all things. Love believes the best about others. Love continues to have confidence in others even when no one else does.

    Love hopes all things. Love continues to hope for the best for others, even when they may not deserve the best.

    Love endures all things. Love continues to love, no matter how much it costs. Love does not give up on the person loved. Love prevails, both in good times and bad times.
     
  10. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Hello Sacred,

    Some of us need our pain. Some of us will never understand that. And some of us understand it, yet shake their heads in wonder. I suspect you are the latter, and I certainly am the former. It drives me to do better, to look out for others, to succeed. It forces me to never concede in defeat. It causes me to fight that which is wrong. It stirs my anger, and anger gives me purpose to fix things, or try. The world wants the likes of you...and needs the likes of me.

    We both understand love verywell I think, just from different perspectives. That is not a bad thing at all.

    I'll call you the peace maker, and you can call me the peace keeper. ;)

    v/r

    Q
     
  11. Faithfulservant

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    Thank you Q.. I never thought of it like that. Im one of those peacekeepers too. :)
     
  12. Blue

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    'Love' is much over-rated it seems from all the quotations.

    I would care little for love if I was starving and someone gave me food. They may or may not love me... Both are equally likely.

    My point?

    It is actions, not declarations of love or hate which count.

    If some people feel a need to glorify 'love' with words let them do so... but let us also hope their actions mirror their declarations.
    ;)
     
  13. Sacredstar

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    Dear Q

    The trouble with emotional pain is that it helps to create disease and anger is the biggest predictor of heart disease.

    But your quote sounds good. Blessings in abundance Q
    and of course

    Love beyond measure

    Sacredstar
     
  14. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    What does Love mean?



    A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4 to 8 year-olds, "What does love mean?"



    The answers they got were broader and deeper than anyone could have imagined. See what you think:



    "When my grandmother got arthritis, she couldn't bend over and paint her toenails anymore. So my grandfather does it for her all the time, even when his hands got arthritis too. That's love."

    Rebecca- age 8



    “When someone loves you, the way they say your name is different. You just know that your name is safe in their mouth."

    Billy - age 4



    "Love is when a girl puts on perfume and a boy puts on shaving cologne and they go out and smell each other."

    Karl - age 5



    "Love is when you go out to eat and give somebody most of your French fries without making them give you any of theirs."

    Chrissy -age 6



    "Love is what makes you smile when you're tired."

    Terri - age 4



    "Love is when my mommy makes coffee for my daddy and she takes a sip before giving it to him, to make sure the taste is OK."

    Danny - age 7



    "Love is when you kiss all the time. Then when you get tired of kissing, you still want to be together and you talk more. My Mommy and Daddy are like that. They look gross when they kiss"

    Emily - age 8



    "Love is what's in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen."

    Bobby - age 7 (Wow!)



    "If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate,"

    Nikka - age 6 (we need a few million more Nikka's on this planet)



    "Love is when you tell a guy you like his shirt, then he wears it everyday."

    Noelle - age 7



    "Love is like a little old woman and a little old man who are still friends even after they know each other so well."

    Tommy - age 6



    "During my piano recital, I was on a stage and I was scared. I looked at all the people watching me and saw my daddy waving and smiling. He was the only one doing that. I wasn't scared anymore."

    Cindy - age 8



    "My mommy loves me more than anybody . You don't see anyone else kissing me to sleep at night."

    Clare - age 6



    "Love is when Mommy gives Daddy the best piece of chicken."

    Elaine-age 5



    "Love is when Mommy sees Daddy smelly and sweaty and still says he is handsomer than Robert Redford."

    Chris - age 7



    "Love is when your puppy licks your face even after you left him alone all day."

    Mary Ann - age 4



    "I know my older sister loves me because she gives me all her old clothes and has to go out and buy new ones."

    Lauren - age 4



    "When you love somebody, your eyelashes go up and down and little stars come out of you." (what an imagination)

    Karen - age 7



    "Love is when Mommy sees Daddy on the toilet and she doesn't think it's gross."

    Mark - age 6



    "You really shouldn't say 'I love you' unless you mean it. But if you mean it, you should say it a lot. People forget."

    Jessica - age 8



    And the final one -- Author and lecturer Leo Buscaglia once talked about a contest he was asked to judge. The purpose of the contest was to find the most caring child. The winner was a four year old child whose next door neighbor was an elderly gentleman who had recently lost his wife. Upon seeing the man cry, the little boy went into the old gentleman's yard, climbed onto his lap, and just sat there. When his Mother asked what he had said to the neighbor, the little boy said, "Nothing, I just helped him cry"



    When there is nothing left but God, that is when you find out that God is all you need. Take 60 seconds and give this a shot!

    v/r

    Q:D
     
  15. Faithfulservant

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    out of the mouths of babes :)
     
  16. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    As I suspect you know, it is a hard row to hoe. People like us die early. Sacred there will live a long time. She knows there must be a yin to the yang, in all things. We see eye to eye I think. We have our job, and she has hers...and it is all good. We want the same thing. We want to love, not be loved (though that is wonderful), we want to love others as best we can. That is God's behelden breath (will man finally love?...)

    v/r

    Q
     
  17. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Two of the kids' comments keep jumping back in my mind.


    “When someone loves you, the way they say your name is different. You just know that your name is safe in their mouth."

    Billy - age 4
    "Love is what's in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen."

    Bobby - age 7


    Your name is safe in the mouth of they who love you...

    What is in the air at Christmastime...


    What do children know that we don't? It is right there, if we could only figure it out. And how come they forget what they knew from the beginning?

    questions, questions, and few answeres.


    v/r

    Q
     
  18. Sacredstar

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    Dear Q

    Yep we are on the same side it is only negative perceptions that tell people otherwise.

    Yin and yang but Grace is in the middle can humanity balance the scales of liberty?

    Can we love ourselves and each other as much as GOD loves US?

    GOD is still waiting patiently for us to realise this perfection.

    My joke about GOD

    I can just imagine GOD yawning......saying for goodness sake when are they going to get it.....I could not have created life more simple but yet they make is so complicated, children can be very hard work!

    blessings in abundance

    Sacredstar
     
  19. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    He, he, he, he, Most of us average only three children (world wide), and we can't keep them in line. God's got 6 billion of us...:D

    Do you think He really has any original hair left on His head?

    v/r

    Q
     
  20. Sacredstar

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    The secret is equality and providing respectful discipline as soon as the old soul arrives.

    A little story.

    An old soul is born with the wisdom of many incarnations in a babies body, what does the wisdom encounter, inequality, spoken down to, told they know nothing, parents know better from their own and parents mistakes, domination and control. You should be seen and not heard, the baby learns from the power games and manipulation that it lives in.

    The baby gets more and more frustrated until it rebels against its rulers, then the struggle begins. Sometimes the baby uses food as its only weapon, and the baby learns how to get its own back so that the soul is not completely trampled upon.

    But yet there is a different way......

    Treating all forms of life as our equal and to honour as sacred divine beings, to empower children by asking them to come up with solutions when parents have a problem, communicating from the heart of compassion so that we can connect our heart (not our minds) with theirs.

    I have learnt that when children are given respect, honoured and loved beyond measure they also give this in return and they grow into confident compassionate and peaceful human beings. The way of the heart.

    CHILDREN LEARN WHAT THEY LIVE

    If a child lives with criticism he learns to condemn

    If a child lives with hostility he learns to fight

    If a child lives with ridicule he learns to be shy

    If a child lives with shame he learns to feel guilty

    If a child lives with tolerance he learns to be patient

    If a child lives with encourgement he learns confidence

    If a child lives with praise he learns to appreciate

    If a child lives with fairness he learns justice

    If a child lives with security he learns to have faith

    If a child lives with approval he learns to like himself

    If a child lives with acceptance and friendship he learns to find love in the world.

    Anon.

    Children and childrens rights are my passion.

    Children have the right to be heard, the right to loved and the right to be treated as equals.

    Being love

    Kim xx
     

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