The Winter Olympics

I did ask if people had comments on any angle of this
But some responses make more sense than others
You may think you're being clear, but I'm not really sure what you mean by "disagree with"
Are you trying to make the case that they shouldn't exist? And is it meant to be a theological case?

I think there's a lot people DO disagree with - the use of land and money, the corruption and the politicking, entire communities displaced to build Olympic parks, environmental issues, etc.

I think lots has been written and said about how people putting their Olympic dream first in their lives - and the money and time dedicated to that - has put the Olympic lifestyle at the level of or above religious practice for some people.
But the religious people who are also Olympians would disagree

I believe the use of resources - money, land, and time - blood sweat and tears - are stronger candidates for having a problem with the Olympics than the torch - and the possible environmental objections to the torch are far more concerning than the ritual aspect of it - the ritual which is arguably theologically empty. I don't know if any modern Pagans may reasonably object that their sacred ritual is being disrespected by being used by non-believers in a non-sacred way or something? Though modern Pagans and the Olympians are both only reconstructing something from the past, not exercising a living tradition as such. Would that matter? Food for thought.

As much as I appreciate viewing the Olympics, I think the lives and resources spent on them can give us pause, far more so than a nonbelieving / no-longer-theological ritual.
Not necessarily. Look a several Christians denominations, these disagree with the part of obeying the Law of God. Then, even Christian religious people can be dead wrong when participating in an event that revives an ancient pagan worship.

Easter with or without rabbits and eggs is pagan 100% and many Christian churches celebrate it.

In the 50s. the first Messianic assembles were against Sunday worship, disregarding the Law of God, celebrating pagan feasts, an more. There some of these assemblies around, not with multitudes of followers. I don't know if the have changed throughout the years, but these were religious people who didn't play for both sides, or they were with their God or against their God. No middles.

Do you know what? After studying their intention and approaches I agree with those dudes.

About people who are not religious, who cares?

But, if a person is a religious dude and says that he loves, obeys and follows his god, then he just can't be playing and let pagan customs and rituals entering in his life. If he does so, he is just lying to himself about having the opportunity of a reward after death.

Did you read about that guy Jesus? He is the door. He obeyed his father regardless of what. Surely he didn't even run the 100 meters in the Olympiads, and I tell you, he surely could have been the winner every 4 years for several seasons. But look at this, even when he had the opportunity to do so, he didn't even try to show his karate skills when he was apprehended by the roman soldiers. But surely he said that he didn't come to change anything from the Law of his father.

Then, if he is the door, the ones who want to pass thru must reject all kind of paganism.

So your point saying that many religious people don't see wrong with the Olympiads, this doesn't mean that it's OK to think that way, because it is ignorance.

And you know that ignorance is not an excuse. Even the the Law of the Israelite god existed a sacrifice because sin caused by ignorance. There you go. So many religious people committing sin because ignorance.

But, if by chance, there is a religious dude reading this thread and he finds out that he was disobeying the Law of the biblical god when participating in pagan rituals, and recognizes he was sinning, he can check in the scriptures what he can do to fix it. As long as he is alive, he has chances to fix it.

Of course you argue against what I am writing here, sure you can do. However, the Law of the scriptural god is clear, this god made his point and that's it.

One more thing. In the scriptures there are verses referring "salvation" as a racing tournament. Some people interpret these verses as to be in accord with the Olympiads. In no place the good book says so. It only makes an analogy, not so a doctrine. And yes, racing, boxing, swimming tournaments are allowed for religious people as long as these are not dedicated or guided to or from pagan rituals.
 
Forget about the environment. The torch in the Olympiads is a ritual, a religious ritual.

No matter how it has been covered up, still is a ritual, a religious ritual.

What about now?
How is it religious at this time? How do you define "religious"

When I started this thread, I was observing how ritualized and deeply ingrained training was for the athletes themselves, and all consuming, in a way that shaped every bit of their lives. I observed how that echoed how some people believe religion should be. I had not theorized that the athletic training was itself an actual religion, in terms of a theory about the supernatural. A high level competitive athlete though, truly does live a life of devotion to their chosen sport.
 
But, if a person is a religious dude and says that he loves, obeys and follows his god, then he just can't be playing and let pagan customs and rituals entering in his life. If he does so, he is just lying to himself about having the opportunity of a reward after death.
Are you doubting Akira Spencer Howe???



You are not doubting Jordan Stolz?

Surely you are not doubting Misha?
Israel’s First Winter Olympian | CIE
 
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So your point saying that many religious people don't see wrong with the Olympiads, this doesn't mean that it's OK to think that way, because it is ignorance.

And you know that ignorance is not an excuse. Even the the Law of the Israelite god existed a sacrifice because sin caused by ignorance. There you go. So many religious people committing sin because ignorance.

Of course you argue against what I am writing here, sure you can do.

You sound angry to me. Why are you so angry?
 
Easter with or without rabbits and eggs is pagan 100% and many Christian churches celebrate it.
Nope
My heterodox grandfather used to say that too... but...
NOPE
@Thomas you would know as well as anybody - what is the current scholarly understanding about whether Easter is actually "pagan"
 
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You sound angry to me. Why are you so angry?
Perhaps my style of communicating is not soft, however I'm not angry at all.

And I think you must be confused when you read articles like "US soldier calling his skating a miracle", however that is what he says. He can say whatever he wants to say, such won't make his skating a miracle, at least not a miracle of/from God. Hello?

I guess your view is like the views of the Jews who didn't know Jesus delayed his trip to see his friend Lazarus for a few days in order to show up when Lazarus was dead. Then, the Jews saw Jesus crying in front of Lazarus tomb and they (correctly) thought Jesus was crying because he loved a lot his friend.

In other words, the ones present when Jesus was crying ignored the real reason why Jesus was crying, a reason which surely wasn't to show the "human part of Jesus suffering the death of a friend".

All of them just ignored what was really going on. And my wild guess is that you also don't know why Jesus was crying in that very moment. But it's fine, you just can't see it, that's all.

Same ignorance is shown by religious people (believers in the biblical god) when they see as OK the participation of them in the Olympiads.
 
Same ignorance is shown by religious people (believers in the biblical god) when they see as OK the participation of them in the Olympiads.
What?

It literally sounds almost like you're saying the Olympics are not okay with G-d.

@Thomas you would know as well as anybody - Is there anything theologically or doctrinally sound about the idea that the modern Olympics are inherently bad or wrong or irreligious because of their reflection of a earlier pagan culture?
 
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I wonder what the nonhuman athletes' various belief systems are/were (not just Olympic athletes, but all of the nonhuman athletes...)

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You mean like equestrian events?

A few Paralympians have service 🦮s, too...

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

I'd like to know more about the service animals at the Paralympics
I found a few things.

This one references the equestrian too. For someone who wasn't originally skilled with horses

This athlete connected with her service dog, while not having previously ever been a dog person.


 
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Nope
My heterodox grandfather used to say that too... but...
NOPE
I thought I said that with or without rabbits and eggs Easter was of pagan origin.

My understanding is that way before the Christian official celebration of Easter in 325 AC, such celebration of "rebirth, fertility, new beginning) was originated by cultures other than the biblical one.

The Israelite called Pesach to the event at the time of exodus. But the plagues didn't happen solely in Egypt but was a worldwide event. If you check Psalm 14 yo can read that between the marvels happening in Egypt, the Jordan River retreated, mountains jumped, etc. As far as we know, the Jordan river is not in Egypt and the Psalm says this river was also affected.

Other cultures also perceived the world was ending to start anew again. The appearance of gods and mostly goddess became the new fade. Yes. For the Israelite Abib became the first month of the year, in other cultures the Teutonic called it Eostre, because the name of their goddess. For the Greeks was Eos, for bthe Hindu was Usha.

Eostre was known as the spring goddess or the goddess of fertility. As usual with names -including the biblical names- these suffer changes and contractions throughout generations of geographical locations. Eostre was also called Eastre, Eostra and even Ostara.

It is known that in 325AC the founders of Christianity as an official religion, they mixed several religion traditions in order to please everybody and acquire the most of followers. So, Egyptian images of a woman holding a baby became Mary holding baby Jesus, the statues of pagan gods became statues of Christian saints. And, from Rome, the name of the goddess Ishtar, not only the divinity of the morning but also of fertility because symbolized "love" became an addition to came out with "Easter". Notice that the same bible mentioned this goddess as Astarte in the story of Ninive. Astarte was also the Queen of Heaven, of course.

The same name root is found in those pagan goddesses.

And this mixture of paganism with the doctrines arising from the scriptures is noticeable up to today. If one day you are invited to celebrate Passover, you will notice that the egg is included in the Haggadah, ha ha ha ha.

Yup, everything is practically a mess.

Then, Pesach is of biblical origin while Easter is of pagan origin, with or without rabbits and eggs.
 
I will prefer you to give me a resume of what those videos are about. By watching them I will count as one more viewer of them, and if I have not received a recommendation from other researchers I pass by now.
You do you. For the most part our conversations here are about sharing information and positive exchange.
 
For everyone who views the thread going forward - for what it's worth (given that the Olympics are a secular and multicultural event offering space for people of any faith) the modern Olympics are far more aligned with 19th century notions of "muscular Christianity" (much admired by Pierre de Coubertin) and the notion of so called "civil religion" - nonsectarian solemnity and ritual - and not on sincerely devotional theology to Zeus or any other god of the long-dead religions of the Greeks or Romans. Over the years through the middle ages and Renaissance and into the modern era, there have been many people who loved "the classics" mythology and philosophy etc. I believe it was also very rare for even the most ardent classicists to believe the gods of the Greeks and Romans were literally real -most often such readers or scholars were Christian if they were religious and they tended to see the Greek and Roman gods as metaphorical and symbolic. @Thomas, you would know as well or better than anybody here:: Was there ever a time over the years where studying or honoring the classics was considered a threat to Christian theology or belief? What about the concepts of "muscular Christianity" or "civil religion" - to your knowledge, have those been considered threats to Christian belief?
 
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Well there is a great deal wrong with our world at present, but however hard I try, I cannot make a list of such problems that includes flames and nudity. Of such problems, environmental issues are an example. What did Carlos say? "forget about the environment". That disgusts me more than any nudity could.

The history of the human race is a story of the spread of ideas across cultures. If bunnies and eggs get a message across, fine. If they are just for fun, fine. Next time that you read your bible, remember that neither paper nor the idea of writing were invented by Christians. May I suggest that in future you worry about important things.
 
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