Trusting Jesus's prescriptions for living
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And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”
And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Mark 10:17-22
What are you discussing? Be specific. You are always making allusions to something that you never seem able to plainly come down to.
I just get lots of words, and lots of threads
Anyway ...
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These are all awesome and exactly what I mean by following jesus ...looking for your christ within...
This is what I learned from unity but also learned (from io) that anyone can learn from any denomination any religion. You can find your way....should you choose to.
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I'm looking at this again, trying to see how it relates to what I'm discussing in this thread. I'm talking about Jesus's prescriptions for living, like the examples I gave, and you're talking about God's response to people seeking. I don't see the connection. Then you say it's an individual response and not about world peace and unity or communal social justice, etc. Do you mean that you don't think that Jesus gave any prescriptions about those things?
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Can you provide specific examples of where Christ preached about world peace and unity or communal social justice?
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There are passages like this one:
“For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
“They will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Matthew 25:41-45
“For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
“They will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Matthew 25:41-45
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World Peace and Unity
The Beatitudes: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God" (Matthew 5:9).
Universal Love: Commanded love for enemies and persecutors, breaking tribal boundaries (Matthew 5:43–48).
The High Priestly Prayer: Prayed for all believers to be completely unified as one (John 17:20–23).
Communal and Social Justice
The Nazareth Manifesto: Inaugurated his public ministry by proclaiming good news to the poor, liberty to captives, and freedom for the oppressed (Luke 4:16–19).
The Sheep and the Goats: Judged nations strictly by how they treated the hungry, homeless, sick, and imprisoned (Matthew 25:31–46).
Woes to Religious Leaders: Denounced elite leaders for tithing spices while neglecting justice, mercy, and faithfulness (Matthew 23:23).
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I know he said things like that, which all flow from this:
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
But to me Christ’s message was never about world unity or social justice. He spoke on a spiritual level to the heart and soul of every person. IMO
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Me thinks he spoke to your heart and soul.
Those with ears may hear.
I evidently dont have those ears... now as you are aware many of the words purported to be his resonate with me...and each of us sees those words differently for some/maybe most of the world they mean very little...they have other words which resonate with them.
Hi, @Longfellow –
I started a post in response this morning, which I then erased. I'll try again ... but this might take a couple of avenues.
Which Jesus? – the Jesus of the NT. That's your primary dataset.
One of the ones in the gospels? – There's only one in the Gospels.
One of Paul's Jesuses? – There's only one in Paul.
To suggest multiple Jesuses suggests an inability to reconcile the texts. That's why, in any tradition, the text goes hand in hand with commentary or, as we say, Scripture and Tradition.
(A note here, some read the Reformation's Sola Scriptura, 'scripture alone', to mean anyone who reads scripture understands it. It doesn't, and it never did. The idea that scripture is magically 'self-explanatory' or 'self-disclosing' is refuted by scripture itself.)
Love God, Love your neighbour ... Does anyone disagree that's what the text says?
Don't cut off your hand. Don't poke out your eye, and don't put a millstone round your neck and jump into the sea. And do read texts contextually, and don't take a verse out of context and assume the most literal reading.
I started a post in response this morning, which I then erased. I'll try again ... but this might take a couple of avenues.
If not that, then what is the world's sacra doctrina about?
A bit of rationalisation here:- Which Jesus? One of the ones in the gospels? One of Paul's Jesuses? Some historical Jesus? One of the Jesuses of Christianity or Islam or Baha'i or philosophical schools or personal philosophies (mine for example) ?
Which Jesus? – the Jesus of the NT. That's your primary dataset.
One of the ones in the gospels? – There's only one in the Gospels.
One of Paul's Jesuses? – There's only one in Paul.
To suggest multiple Jesuses suggests an inability to reconcile the texts. That's why, in any tradition, the text goes hand in hand with commentary or, as we say, Scripture and Tradition.
(A note here, some read the Reformation's Sola Scriptura, 'scripture alone', to mean anyone who reads scripture understands it. It doesn't, and it never did. The idea that scripture is magically 'self-explanatory' or 'self-disclosing' is refuted by scripture itself.)
The Jesus of the NT is the only one we've got.
All derived from the NT.One of the Jesuses of Christianity or Islam or Baha'i or philosophical schools or personal philosophies (mine for example
Well it's your question ...
What other source is there?
Well if you don't think there was one, why labour the point?
We can't, can we? Again, if you doubt the NT, then why are you wasting your time?
Is there?
Love God, Love your neighbour ... Does anyone disagree that's what the text says?
Again, this is what Scripture and Tradition.
Don't cut off your hand. Don't poke out your eye, and don't put a millstone round your neck and jump into the sea. And do read texts contextually, and don't take a verse out of context and assume the most literal reading.
Yes. A few, quite notably. The vast majority, anonymously.
No-one can answer that for you.
I don't understand the question.
And how are you going to approach that?
What does it mean to you ... that's what RJM's asking ... and I'm wondering ...