Should hereditary determine religion?

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Re: No single Hindu faith?

I may be well out of line here, but I cant help thinking that it is very, very wrong to define yourself within a religious group simply because of birth. There are enough problems in the world caused by religion without making it hereditary and hence, hollow.
 
Re: No single Hindu faith?

This is split from the Hinduism thread, as it makes for a very interesting question - how much should choice of faith be determined by hereditary principles?

I'd especially like to touch on the subject of as to households where child are brought up encouraged to follow the religion of their parents/carers. :)
 
Re: No single Hindu faith?

I think in general a lot of people will feel more comfortable with the myths, archetypes, and rituals of their youth, and where this is not the case it may be easier to augment than to abandon. But I also think that once a child is old enough it is his or her choice what religion to pursue.
 
Here is my thought on this subject.. When your searching for truth is it like looking for what club to join that fits your needs? Or choosing a political party to be affiliated with?
 
I may be well out of line here, but I cant help thinking that it is very, very wrong to define yourself within a religious group simply because of birth. There are enough problems in the world caused by religion without making it hereditary and hence, hollow.
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I don't think it is... It's a fact that if you have a long family tree of violent relatives you will also carry the violent genes of there’s. People are born into a life and born into a world carrying genes from there family and that is something that can not be changed. So why not religion? I was born into mine, and so will my children.. If a religion is practised properly there should be no need for violence or hostility and if you’re not born into a religion, you have to prove every religion wrong before you pick, which could take a life time itself... I'm sure there are more positive ways of people that are religious then those who are atheist because an atheist has no "HIGHER" laws to follow and practise which to me is barbaric. From a young age I was explained to follow higher social and humane laws of the bible.


 
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It's a fact that if you have a long family tree of violent relatives you will also carry the violent genes of there’s.
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is it? You would have to show me a lot of hard evidence before I will believe that. I am fairly certain that violence is not a genetic trait.

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People are born into a life and born into a world carrying genes from there family and that is something that can not be changed. So why not religion?
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Genetics controls what colour your hair is and how tall you are, not what religion you follow. It's a balance between nature and nurture, genetics and upbringing. My entire family as far back as anyone can trace has been catholic yet I am a buddhist.

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I was born into mine, and so will my children..
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I hope you dont mean that you will expect your children to automatically hold the same beliefs as you, free will and human nature dictate that they probably will but they might not.

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if you’re not born into a religion, you have to prove every religion wrong before you pick
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If this was true, that without heredity the selection of a religion would be a long complex process, then it would prove my point completely, that hereditary religion is basically brainwashing children. Lucky it isnt true.

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an atheist has no "HIGHER" laws to follow and practise which to me is barbaric.
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Suggesting that atheists are barbaric smacks a little of spiritual facism dont you think? (but thats for another thread)
 
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I don't think it is... It's a fact that if you have a long family tree of violent relatives you will also carry the violent genes of there’s. People are born into a life and born into a world carrying genes from there family and that is something that can not be changed. So why not religion? I was born into mine, and so will my children.. If a religion is practised properly there should be no need for violence or hostility and if you’re not born into a religion, you have to prove every religion wrong before you pick, which could take a life time itself... I'm sure there are more positive ways of people that are religious then those who are atheist because an atheist has no "HIGHER" laws to follow and practise which to me is barbaric. From a young age I was explained to follow higher social and humane laws of the bible.
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If I can be so bold to piggy-back on the responses of Awaiting the Fifth, humans are not born with these violent or shy or any other tendencies; they are learned through a kind of sensory perception even while the child is in the womb. We can really only be a sum total of our experiences.

For the those of us who strive to answer unanswered questions, we may step outside of the understanding that we have always known to experience other things. It doesn't mean that what we have always known holds no truth, it could very well just possibly mean that we know that there is more to life than just what we've always known. A lot of people don't need to know anything else. Some people don't need to know anything at all. Some people chase tail, some people chase money, some people chase degrees of education, some people chase spirituality. When we've mastered one subject, sometimes we don't need to go back. And then we may keep growing but return to our roots because that is where the kinship is. But then some of us never reach out because of the fear of wasting time in exploring the world and finding out that we were wrong and have betrayed our God. There has always been something about fear that leave the best of us crippled and caged up.

You'd be surprised what your kids would do. You'd be surprised and appalled and proud all at the same time - that is, if they feel you are strong enough to handle it.
 
Actually it's true, it's been proven and a court has actually given less punishment to a person because he had inherited "violent genes" he was adopted into a wealthy family and educated, but he just couldn’t help himself from braking into cars and beating people up. If you look at religion from a evolutionary basis, I say religion is what makes us humans and is what makes us different from the other animals. Religion is on the increase and it's part of the civilised person, the passion of humans, the hardship and effort to create.. Being born into one I feel is a part of that humanly process and also a great boost to a Childs life from early development... I like to see at as, each religion created is an energy field that the people who follow are part of, even if we throw atheism in there too and the religons made up every day.. However "passion" is the key, passion is Latin for "suffering" to me this is the key to life, to gain you have to give, nothing is free, it's earned and same for the spirit world.. This is the energy field of Christinity.
 
Postmaster,

If each religion is an energy field, do you ever think that in order for the field of each religion to be maintained as new technologies develop through affective R&D or are rediscovered over dissolving international boundaries that there might be a reason that these fields brush up against each other and end up exchanging some energy that can maintain and integrate itself in the form of unanchored and de-anchored spiritual seekers and drifters?

What happens when you look at the broader picture of the energy fields of all of the world? What is going on there? How do you understand the activity and its relationship to the energy fields? Are the fields force fields that keep everything out or do they filter? Do they attract some types of energy and push away other types? How do they behave in the world at large?

Dauer
 
What happens when you look at the broader picture of the energy fields of all of the world? What is going on there? How do you understand the activity and its relationship to the energy fields? Are the fields force fields that keep everything out or do they filter? Do they attract some types of energy and push away other types? How do they behave in the world at large?
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If it even works like energy fields or something like that it's all beyond my understanding anyway, things that our mind can't grasp or understand. Maybe the combination of these energy fields are infinite.
 
Infinite like how? What's going on in the fields you described when people actually are leaving their religions of origin and finding new ones, or rather what are the possibilities for what could be happening?
 
I suppose only God knows... The only philosophy I accept at the moment is accept what your given, be grateful for it and that I know nothing because many things go beyond my material comprehension. Think that's the best philosophy anyone can follow. More complexly I believe in God and I also believe in divine figures, which speak of truth, or the truth I want to hear.

 
Hi--Peace--Really--

To everyone here.

Went to work in my garden, and thought about the original question. Then I remembered something my very best girlfriend said to me once.

(okay--we aren't girls anymore--now we are women, not much different :)).

I have considered and pondered her question for a long time.

She asked me if I had been born someplace else, in a totally different environment, would I still believe as I do? Of course, at the time, I said that, without a doubt, I would.

But over time, it was not so much her question that bothered me, but my answer.

I believe that if one desires the Truth, Truth will come. That is about all I know. But my friend's question was one of several factors that led me to a multi-faith, multi-cultural forum like this one.

(I hope I did not speak too much out-of-turn here, but I was compelled to go ahead and post--actually, I find the original question to be a very good and interesting one.)

InPeace,
InLove
 
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Postmaster, do you have a link to any information on this person who was punished less for his crimes because of a violent ancestry?
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I’m afraid not, it was something I watched on the discovery Science channel. But I mean it's not exactly a break through discovery, genetic heritage can also lead to cancers, Neuro disorders, diabetes, and just about any medical condition around and thats not forgetting inheriting non genetic illness like AIDS. So why not personality traits? Being born into religions is a good thing, not a bad thing, because if not you have to leave your child with the choice and they will either say religion is for nut cases or start to think negativity of other religions they disprove to justify one true correct one. Life is full of conflict it's something you will NEVER avoid. The least we can do is fulfil our children’s early development instead of leaving them with a life long decision, which relgion is not all about.


 
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But I mean it's not exactly a break through discovery, genetic heritage can also lead to cancers, Neuro disorders, diabetes, and just about any medical condition around. So why not personality traits?
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I would say that it IS a break through discovery if that is true. Genetic heretidge can cause a pre-disposition to cancer, I'm pretty sure diabetes is not genetic, it is usually caused by something fairly late in life. I dont know about Neuro disorders, you would have to be more specific on that.

Our personalities are formed by groups of neurons fusing together in our brians. These fusings occur because of our environment and experiences. It is possible that some very VERY low level personality traits can be genetic, these are caused by the way the brain is initially constructed, but these traits are what we would call instinct, the need for food and sex for example.

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if not you have to leave your child with the choice and they will either say religion is for nut cases or start to think negativity of other religions they disprove to justify one true correct one.

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This is simply not true. My Uncle was not born into a religious family, he did not discover religion until he met my Aunt and they got married, now he is a Catholic Deacon.

I cannot see why someone with native religion would be any less likely to criticize other religions as being false than someone with a chosen religion. Do YOU not consider that everyone other than Christians are wrong?

And how do you know that we are not Nut Cases?
 
I'm pretty sure diabetes is not genetic,
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woah... Take a look here

Our personalities are formed by groups of neurons fusing together in our brians.
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I'm afraid no fusing occurs, it's an electro-chemical connection, a tiny gap between all neurons in the brain and body :) Of course our environment influences these connections and also our conscious choices but genes also play a part in this. A child doesn't have to learn how to look for the milk from it's mother after birth, these are things that are Pre-wired in our head, like many things and even from our ancestors and family. If were passing on AIDS to our children and other negative stuff, why not something positive that is not material..
 
Diabetes can be genetic - some people have to adjust thier diets so they can avoid the diagnosis.

Personality traits are not inherited biologically, they are learned. A fetus is alive in the womb and picks up on situations going on with the mother and outside of the womb. A mother who is constantly sad while carrying her child often gives birth to a child that cries alot. A child born into a happy and loving household is often friendly with strangers. Though often difficult, we can break away from learned behavior.
 
Well, I heard some weird stories... For instance a person getting a transplant from a person of a different ethnicity to them only to start acting more like the ethnicity of the person they got the transplant from, even without knowing it...

Personality does get influence from inherited genes, all you have to do is look for the information.

http://www.wilderdom.com/personality/L7-2EvolutionPersonality.html#Big5

Whoseeeeee right? :D
 
Re: No single Hindu faith?

Awaiting_the_fifth said:
I may be well out of line here, but I cant help thinking that it is very, very wrong to define yourself within a religious group simply because of birth. There are enough problems in the world caused by religion without making it hereditary and hence, hollow.
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I AGREE. And a great crowd from ALL nations is being gathered to worship in the right way . and the gathering goes on . REVELATION 7;9-10
 
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