The Antichrist Will Easily Take The World

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  1. stevemb88

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    I understand your meaning, and if it goes to far then they are totally separated from God almost like when Moses came down after receiving the Ten Comandments (the first time) and saw the Jews worshiping a golden calf, they hadn't experienced God or Godly teachings in so long they just went their own way.
     
  2. BlaznFattyz

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    based on the following quotes from the bible, it seems very clear to me that this is not a metaphor. and to have a star shine on the day you are born, think of the timing and the power to tell the stars what to do on jesus' birth, it is supernatural to me.

    Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven....

    Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

    Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

    Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

    Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
     
  3. Popeyesays

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    One should follow one's own heart, I am sure. Though, I see all these things fulfilled in the last two centuries in some way or another.
    The "Temple" of course could be the temple of man, rather than stone - so if Jesus did "come back" in that time frame any punishments he met would certainly fulfill the rending of the temple.

    If it speaks of "third parts" of the sun moon and stars that sounds more metaphoric than ever to me.

    As to the "smoke of the pit" - TRINITY, Hiroshima, Nagasaki . . . .

    The literal/metaphor boundary line is fuzzy ti say the least.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  4. InChristAlways

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    I would like to ask a question. In Paul's inspired epistle, he mentions a "man of sin/lawlessnes. Daniel 11 also mentions a "man of lawlessness" while John mentions an "antichrist". The Christ-ian religion is the only "Abrahamic" religion that believes Paul and Revelation are inspired books, and if that is so, has Paul and John decieved All of Christ-ianity into believing that the Christ has come in the "flesh" and was crucified and Raised Up?.

    This "entity/lawless one" appears to come out of Israel/Judah and in fact the Great War of Daniel and revelation happens on the "Mountains of Israel" in the land of Judea/Mt Zion as spoken in the Olivet Discourse and in Zechariah 14/Revelation 19, not the "whole world".
    Revelation is in highly symbolic jewish OT symbolism taken from the Old Testament and appears to follow Daniel and Ezekiel's prophecy fairly accurately.
    Who would be those decieved if not those who do not believe the Christ has come "in the flesh" and sent by God? Christ even made this statement to the jewish priests/rulers in Jerusalem that they would not see Him again until they called upon the Name of the Lord.
    Here is what Daniel, Paul and John say about the "antichrist/man of sin/lawlessness". This was written before God had the roman army sent to destroy OC Jerusalem in the first century. Thoughts on this? Peace.
    Steve

    2 thess 2:3
    Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    Daniel 11:36 And He does as acceptable of Him, the King, and He shall exalt Himself and He shall magnify Himself over every of God and on God of gods He shall speak marvelous things, and He causes to prosper untill Concluding of Menace that One being decided she is done

    1 john 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is the antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    The book of revelation also mentions a "man of lawlessness".

    Reve 13:5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.
     
  5. Bandit

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    if there is a singled out individual who is the man of sin, i have always felt it would come from Israel because the Jews would never accept a messiah who is not an israelite, especially in terms of someone leading & expecting 'world-global' peace. i see several possibilities on how this could happen when i consider the ill, lawlessness & the lack of love for life the world is taking. there have always been those who deny Jesus is the Christ but that did not make them of lawlessness.

    i do not hold the book of revelations in one single light of ONLY past present or future like many do. i think the blasphemy there in vs.5 is something not very many are going to see as blasphemey, however those in the Body will know because he will also be blaspheming His tabernacle & those who dwell in heaven. this happens every day & all day long from certain individuals of unbelief. unbelief is one thing, but i see those who believe being swiftly persuaded to unbelief as well & that would include those of all religions- not just christians.
     
  6. truthseeker

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    The Anti-Christ is an individual, but in the sense that the individual is a body of individuals. As The Revelation speaks of nations, there will come a time in which the nations shall become one and, I believe, the ruling individual (body of individuals in like mind) shall be of a Christian background (nation, ancestry) in which it can fool the people into believing that it is of Christ (because it knows how to appeal to the Christ Body) but also endorsing the ways that are anti-christ, such as taking all profession of God away from the state of the new nation in an attempt to be 'indoctrinally correct' in presentation. All of the scriptures that InChristAlways quoted says that much.

    Though all people may not believe there is a God or share the same view of the heavens and earth and origins of good and evil, all people can be joined in a unity of fear and need for protection. So the goal is to incite fear and paranoia into the people so as to uproot the basic feeling of security (beit financial, religious, personal, etc.). When a solution is offered, it will come in a package of a proposed new world order with specifications indentifying who is for it or who against it. The world has seen this in so many ways over time but the part of the revelation that has yet to be seen is the fight at Meggido between good and evil. The fight will be a spiritual one, shrouded in political madness. Israel has/will got/get its Messiah. It is a literal war that will not soon end, aimed to destroy the soul of mankind in a presentation to free mankind.
     
  7. taijasi

    taijasi Gnōthi seauton

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    Wow, in the US we have a president who fits this bill entirely ... and probably not since WWII have the people been so paranoid and suspicious of each other. The current administration has practically made their motto, "Let Xenophobia prevail!!!" ... though certainly, we should not overcredit any one individual (such as the president) or scapegoat him - as something like "antichrist" is well beyond his intellectual ability. And probably beyond his cunning as well. Still, I think one can draw quite a few objective parallels between what you just said, truthseeker, and the current administration - plus his daddy's, plus the Reagan. Put 'em together, and BOOM ... yep, that's close enough to the antichrist for me!!!

    protokletos
     
  8. mee

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    the locusts have been doing their job ,they have been let loose on the world for years now,not litral locusts of course ,but symbolic locusts
    Jesus had truly released a plaguing woe on Christendom. and what did christendom do , they tried to stamp them out,because of the discomfort they coarsed to them ,but the locusts have kept coming on stronger than ever

     
  9. peale

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    Who hasn’t played the game of pin the tale on the antichrist? Considering this person does not exist there has been a huge amount of speculation as to who or what it is. Lets assume that the revelations are fact and that these things will come to pass or be it something that in hind sight fits the prophesise, then what are you looking for.

    He or it does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God! Well that narrows it down to about 5 and half billion people. Just because we don’t believe in the Son the Father and the Holy Ghost doesn’t make us bad people not fit to go to heaven. I think we should all be judged as individuals.

    The number 666 has to have some direct relevance to he or it. Well numbers can be twisted in many ways, my birthday is 21.11.1966 if you reduce that to 3 numbers i.e. 2+1+1+1+1+9=15 then 1+5=6 then add the 66 and hey presto. My company integrates text messaging with web sites and its account number with the mobile networks is puk 666320 another incidence of 666.

    He needs to be in control of the beast. Actually we wrote a program, which we nicknamed the beast. How many people have you heard referring to a fast car or a motorbike as the beast.

    He needs to create a global currency. There are no privately issued global currencies that have stood the test of time but it is fact that with the Internet something similar to a privately issued currency could and probably will happen. Take a look at www.txtchqs.com it uses mobile phones to transfer funds. If you haven’t already guessed that was the program we nicknamed the beast.

    He shall be the lawless one. If god created all life on this planet then why create coke cane, cannabis and opium they are all fundamentally plants. Everything has to have a purpose; maybe human beings need to get high every now and then. There is too much bloody law, If a woman wants to charge for a ******* then good luck to her, no one makes you use a sexual relief worker, you can always have a wank. If you own a field why can’t you build a home on it, who has the right to denigh you a roof, yet planning laws do exactly that. More laws make more work for lawyers, could you imagine a world with less of them? I’m not saying no law just less and simpler so we all know where we stand.

    He shall denigh the desires of women. I have a partner and two beautiful girls and love them all; if a woman fancies me then I think I’m going to have to decline. Men are arse holes for the most part, although we are sometimes smarter than women in academic ways, we can’t run a piss up in a brewery. If women would stop shopping, stop having kids and stop gossiping and take charge of the situation we all would be a **** load better off.

    The antichrist will not believe in god the creator. Most educated people have accepted evolution as the reason we look the way we do. I don’t believe god exists. I asked god to show itself and if it did I would dedicate the rest of my life to spreading the word and helping others. Well would you believe it that’s exactly what god did. Like I said I don’t believe god exists I know god exists. My connection with god is not spiritual its factual just like evolution, just like gravity, just like the sun but you have to find it for yourself, all I can say is it is there.

    Well bugger me if we haven’t just cleared up the identity of the third most talked about person in the western world who doesn’t actually exist, the first being Christ the son of god and the second being Santa Claus. Now that we have sorted that out do you think we could get back to the little matter of saving our planet because I’m dammed if I am going to leave it in the hands of the dick wit presidents, prime ministers and royal families that have assumed responsibility so far.
     
  10. juantoo3

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    Kindest Regards, peale.

    If I may remind of the Code of Conduct, please review it before continuing with this. That you have an opinion is well and good, but bear in mind what section you are in, and have the courtesy to treat the others here with some respect while presenting your opinion.
     
  11. peace4all

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    Has anybody ever thought that maybe someone would try to clone Jesus's DNA? But the attempt would fail and the antichrist would be created instead?
     
  12. inhumility

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    The antichrist is already there and have taken over the world.Whoever is against Jesus and true prophets of God,since the time of Jesus, is antichrist.The prophecies of Bible and Quran have already been fullfilled.
    Thanks
     
  13. BlaznFattyz

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    there are antichrists, but The Antichrist, who will do supernatural works of satan has not yet come. when he does come, it will be after the church has been raptured.
     
  14. 17th Angel

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    This and the rest of the story... Interesting, but one thing for you christian... Where in the Bible does it say all of this? I love how it is all "-I- think this" "-I- think that!" "-I- say this" Being a christian do you not live by the bible?? What does the bible say about the "anti-christ" Shouldn't you... Being a "sheep" look to see what your god says not what you think..... ;)
     
  15. Amica

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    Peace to all of you.

    17thAngel: I am not a Christian. I am actually a Muslim. My religious teachings do mention the antichrist (dajjal, as we call him).

    I read numerous books on the End Time prophecies both christian and islamic. Tim Lahaye researched a great deal about the person of antichrist based ont he biblical verses. Islamic Hadith (Prophet Muhammad's pbuh sayings and tradition) also provide the description of the dajjal/antichrist that appear even more detailed (the Hadith even provide the description of his parents!).

    There are some differences but it seems that the man is going to be a something. According to the Revelation, his spirit existed before, then it was not and then it will be again.
     
  16. Amica

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    :) Oh.. Now that I mentioned islamic prophecies about the dajjal/antichrist, I realized I never actually mentioned them. Here they are:

    *The dajjal/antichrist is propheciezed to be:
    --Young, not married,no children
    --One eyed/one eye floating like a grape (could be methaphorically interpreted as well)
    --Will come from an area between Syria and Iraq
    --Will travel the world in 40 (years/months/days--not clear) on a flying mule (airplane?)
    --Will perform miracles as a test for humankind (will give rain/riches/poverty to whom he pleases)
    --Before he comes to power, there will be three years of drought/weather problems where 1/3 of vegitation, rain and animals will disappear, then gradually increasing towards no vegitation, rain or animals in the third year
    --His father will be tall with a long nose and his mother will be stocky woman with big chest
    --He will cause much grief to his parents in his life time
    --He will claim to be Jewish
    --He will have a large following of women, illegitimate children and Jews who wear silk (not sure what this means)
    --Dajjal will first claim prophethood, then will claim to be the promised Messiah, then will claim to be God
    --Dajjal will fight world war against Muslims (Muslims led by Imam Mahdi as vs. non-Muslims and world Christian nations); In the war Muslims will first experience great slaughter by non-Muslims, being besieged all the way to Mecca and Medina
    --Dajjal will abolish Christianity
    --Dajjal will have a beautiful music with him
    --Dajjal will have a mark on his forhead that reads 'KFR' (Kafir) and which will be visible & comprehensible for every believer to see (literate or illiterate)
    --He will be a great liar and tyrant
    --When Isaa/Jesus savs comes again, he will destroy dajjal with his breath. Dajjal will disolve like salt in water.
     
  17. 17th Angel

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    The Dajjal eh? Do they speak of a certain time the fallen one's son will reign?
    One thing with the belief of an anti-christ or a force that does Satan's bidding... How can you be so confident that he will lose? Becuase it say's he will lose? Sports events do the opposition of one team always proclaim a victory before the battle has commenced? Also if it was the case that there was no chance of victory what would be the point in the battle? Where is the glory? Where is the chance to reign supreme.... If they is a superior "evil" being why is it not possible for him to destory your superior "good" being? (god.) Afterall, any being that lives can be killed...

    If there was a Satan Vs god battle... I would put all my "chips" on Satan winning... There are more things that please mankind that Satan could offer than what god could offer. If god is all about "I love my creation mankind and the earth and the universe..." Yet the majority show traits of supporting this devil Satan and his belief, and this ended in a war... The numbers on Satan's side would stack up way more than the numbers on jah's side. So the only way he could win, would be to destroy the world?
     
  18. cyberpi

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    I think:
    Satan is an open loop amplifier with applied energy, and the source of energy for its input.
    Satan is as real as Santa.
    Satan is a blind person describing what he sees, or a deaf person describing what he hears.
    Satan is the creator of the boil, the virus, and the bacteria that feeds on flesh.
    From the heart comes imagination, and from the heart comes Satan.
    Satan is the creator of many things, but of nothing with purpose.
    If Jesus (pbuh) was tempted by Satan, then so have you been.
    Satan is the creator of accidents.
    Satan has no soul.
    Satan is an evolving animal.
    Satan is in everything with a heartbeat.
    Satan is your computer running its programs, but with a random number generator for a keyboard.
    Satan is a car with a stuck accelerator and no steering wheel.
    Satan is a tornado or a hurricane caused by a butterfly off the coast of the other side of the planet.
    Satan is in what you don't know, and when you learn then you will realize your sin.
     
  19. cyberpi

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    The battle between good and evil is fought within one's own mind per the direction of one's own soul. In the gospels, in a desert, Jesus (pbuh) demonstrated it.
     
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    There is the pro-you, there is the anti-you, and there is the ignorant of you. I submit that within the minds of men the ignorance of you far outweighs the other two. So I further submit that even among the alledged Christ followers, the ignorance of Christ still far outweighs the pro-Christ and the anti-Christ. I see only poverty, even among the self professed devil worshippers, the conspiracy seeking theorists, the fretting fear-mongers, or even the smiling mindless.
     

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