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Do you think this would make a good Gospel tract?

Most people will admit that they are a good person. But of all the questions you will ask yourself in life, probably the most important is, Does God consider me to be a good person? The way to find this out is to ask yourself if you have obeyed the Ten Commandments. Most would answer the question, "Well, I've broken one or two, but nothing too serious, like murder, etc." So, let's go through them and see how you do:

1. "You shall have no other gods before Me."
Is God first in your life? Do you love God above all else? Many years ago, I purchased a T.V. for our children, but the first evening we had it, I arrived home from work and found that they didn't even bother to greet me. They were too busy watching television. I turned it off and explained to them that if they ignored me because they preferred to watch T.V. they were setting their love on the gift rather then the giver, a wrong order of affections. In the same way, if we love anything—husband, wife, children or even our own lives—more than we love God, we are setting our affection on the gift rather than the Giver, which is a transgression of the First Commandment. In fact, the Bible says that we should so love God that our love for Mom and Dad and brother and sister should seem like hatred compared to the love we have for the God who gave those loved ones to us.

We are also commanded to love our neighbour as much as we love ourselves. Jesus spoke of a Samaritan who found an injured stranger, bathed his wounds, carried him to an inn, gave money for his care and told the inn-keeper that he would pay for his expenses. We call him the good Samaritan, but in reality he wasn't "good" at all, he merely obeyed the basic command to love his neighbor as himself. That is a picture of how God expects us to love our fellow human beings. We should love them as much as we love ourselves...whether they be friend or foe.

Have you loved God with all your heart? Have you loved humanity as much as you love yourself? You be the judge. Will you be innocent or guilty on Judgment Day of breaking that Commandment? I'm not judging you—I'm asking you to judge yourself before the Day of Judgment. The sentence for breaking this Commandment is death.

2. "You shall not make for yourself any graven image."
This means that we shouldn't make a god to suit ourselves, either with our hands or our mind. I was guilty of this. I made a god to suit myself. My god didn't mind a "white" lie or a fib here and there—in fact, he didn't exist. He was a figment of my imagination, an "image" which I shaped to suit myself. Is your God the One revealed in Holy Scripture? If not, then you have made your own god to suit yourself—you have committed the oldest sin in the Book. Scripture warns that no idolater will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

3. "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain."
Have you ever taken God's name in vain—instead of using a four-letter word to express disgust, you've used His name? Hitler's name wasn't despised enough to use as a curse word. If you have used His holy name in that manner, you are a blasphemer and will not enter the Kingdom of God.

4. "Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy."
I ignored this command for 22 years. Even though God gave me the gift of life, never once did I ask what He required of me. I was guilty of breaking this Commandment.

5. "Honor your father and your mother."
Have you always honored your parents in a way that's pleasing in the sight of God? Ask Him to remind you of the sins of your youth. You may have forgotten them, but God hasn't.

6. "You shall not murder."
Jesus warned that if we get angry without cause we are in danger of judgment. If we hate our brother, God calls us a murderer. We can violate God's Law by attitude and intent.

7. "You shall not commit adultery."
Who of us can say that we are pure of heart? Jesus warned, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart." Remember that God has seen every thought you have had and every sin you have ever committed. The day will come when you have to face His Law, and we are told that the impure, fornicators (those who have sex before marriage) and adulterers will not enter the Kingdom of God. Punishment for transgression of this Commandment is the death penalty.

8. "You shall not steal."
Have you ever taken something that belonged to someone else (irrespective of its value)? Then you are a thief—you cannot enter God's Kingdom.

9. "You shall not bear false witness."
Have you ever told a lie? Then you are a liar. How many lies do you have to tell to be a liar? Just one. The Bible warns that all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire. You may not think deceitfulness is a serious sin. God does!

10. "You shall not covet."
That means we shouldn't desire anything that belongs to another person. The covetous will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Who of us can say we are not guilty of breaking these Commandments? All of us have sinned, and just as with civil law, you don't have to break ten laws to be a lawbreaker, so the Bible warns, "For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."

A little girl was once watching a sheep eat grass and thought how white it looked against the green background. But when it began to snow she thought, "That sheep now looks dirty against the white snow!" It was the same sheep, but with a different background. When we compare ourselves to man's standard we look pretty clean, but when we compare ourselves to the pure snow-white righteousness of God's standard—His Law, we can see ourselves in truth, that we are unclean in His sight. That Law is the holy standard by which humanity will be judged on Judgment Day.

This may sound strange, but the worst thing you could do at this point of time is to try and clean up your lifestyle—you realize that you have sinned, so from now on you will keep the Ten Commandments, do good deeds, say the right things and think only pure thoughts. But should a judge let a murderer go because he says he will now live a good life? No, he's in debt to justice and therefore must be punished.

The Law of God is merely like a mirror—all a mirror does is show you the truth. If you see egg on your face, you don't try and wash yourself with the mirror, it's purpose should be to send you to water for cleansing. Neither should you try and wash yourself with the mirror of God's Law...that's not its purpose.

The sight in the mirror is not a pretty one, but if you don't face it and acknowledge that you are unclean, then all that "dirt" will be presented on Judgment Day as evidence of your guilt, and then it will be too late to be cleansed.

Perhaps you think that God is good and will therefore overlook your sins. But if you were guilty of terrible crimes in a civil court and said to the judge, "Judge, I am guilty but I believe that you are a good man and will therefore overlook my crimes," the judge would probably respond by saying, "You are right about one thing; I am a good man, and it's because of my goodness that I am going to see that justice is done, that you are punished for your crimes." The very thing that many are hoping will save them on Judgment Day, God's "goodness," will be the very thing that will condemn them. If God is good, He should punish murderers. liars, thieves, etc., and Hell will be their dreadful fate.

What a terrible place Hell must be. If you read in the newspaper that a man received a £5 fine for a crime, you could conclude that his crime was insignificant. But if a man received multiple life sentences, you could conclude that his crime was heinous. In the same way, we can catch a glimpse of how terrible sin must be in the sight of God by looking to the punishment given for it—eternal punishment. Ungrateful humanity never bothers to thank God for His wonderful blessings of color, light, food, joy, beauty, love, and laughter, so He will take those blessings away from them. Instead of proving their gratitude by obedience to His will, they use His name to curse. Their punishment will be just but severe to the uttermost. Take the time to read what Jesus said Hell was like in Mark 9:43-48. I am afraid for you...please, look honestly into the mirror of the Law, then seek the "water" that cleanses every sin. If you don't believe what I am saying about the reality of Hell, it means you think God is corrupt (that He hasn't the moral backbone to seek justice), that Jesus was a liar, that the Apostles were false witnesses, that God's promises are nothing but prefabricated lies, and there is no greater insult to God than to call Him a liar. By doing so, you are adding to your transgressions. Imagine if you reject the Savior, die in your sins and find that what I have told is the Gospel truth? Then it will be too late, you will be judged for you sins. If that happens, and your eyes meet my eyes on the Day of Judgment, I'm free from your blood. I have told you the truth, but if you choose to ignore it your blood will be upon your own head...you will have no one to blame but yourself.

Can you see your predicament? You are guilty of sinning against God Himself, and, because you have a conscience, you have sinned "with knowledge." Isn't it true that every time you lied, stole, lusted, etc., you did it with knowledge that it was wrong?

Does the fact that you have sinned against God scare you? It should. You have actually angered Him by your sin. The Bible says His wrath abides on you, that you are an "enemy of God in your mind through wicked works." But let fear work for your good in the same way that a fear of jumping out of a plane at a great height would make you put on a parachute. Let your will to live open your heart to the Gospel of salvation.

I am not the only one who doesn't want you to end up in Hell. The person who gave you this tract cared enough to give it to you and risk your rejection, and God Himself is not willing that you perish. To make clear what an incredible thing He has done for you in the Gospel, let's look again to civil law: You are standing in front of a judge, guilty of very serious crimes. All the evidence has been presented and there is no doubt about your guilt. The fine for your crime is £250,000 or imprisonment, but you haven't two pennies to rub together. The judge is about to pass sentence...he lifts his gavel, when someone you don't even know steps in and pays the fine for you. The moment you accept that payment, you are free to go. Justice has been served, the law has been satisfied, and what's more, the stranger who paid your fine showed how much he cares for you. His payment was evidence of his love.

That's what God did for you, in the person of Jesus Christ. you are guilty, He paid the fine 2,000 years ago. It is that simple. The Bible puts it this way: "he was bruised for our iniquities . . . Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law being made a curse for us...God commended His love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

It was no small thing for Jesus to die for us. The only thing that would satisfy the demands of Eternal Law was the suffering death of the sinless Son of God. What love God must have for you! He suffered unspeakable agony, so that you wouldn't have to be punished for your sins. His sacrificial death and resurrection mean that you need no longer be in debt to the Law, and God can now grant you everlasting life if you obey Him -- death no longer has a legal hold upon those who belong to Jesus Christ.

Two men were offered a parachute while seated in a plane. The first man was told it would improve his flight, but the second man was informed he had to make a 25,000 foot jump. when the flight struck severe turbulence the first man took his parachute off because as far as he was concerned it didn't improve the flight. but during the same violent turbulence, the second man clung tighter to his parachute. Each man's motive for putting the parachute on determined whether or not they would keep it on. In the same way, the reason you should "put on the Lord Jesus Christ" shouldn't be to find peace, joy, true happiness, to have your marriage healed or your problems fixed, etc. (to have your flight improved), but it should be to escape the jump to come—because of the fact that you have to pass through the door of death. Then, when the flight gets bumpy (when problems come) you won't fall away from the faith. What should you then do? Simply repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord. Don't put it off until tomorrow.

Would you sell an eye for a million pounds? How about both for £20 million? No one in his right mind would. Your eyes are priceless to you, yet they are merely the windows of your soul. Your life (your soul) is of such value, Jesus said that you should despise the value of your eye compared to it. He said that if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you, for it is better to enter Heaven blind than to go to Hell seeing. In other words, of all the things you should prioritize in your life, it's not your health, your vocation, etc., it's your eternal salvation.

Think of a man who has committed adultery. His faithful wife is more than willing to take him back, so what is the attitude in which he should approach her? It should be one of tremendous humility, asking for forgiveness, and determining in his heart never to even think of committing adultery again.

That's how you should approach God. If you are not sure how to pray, read Psalm 51 and make it your prayer. Then put your faith in Jesus Christ in the same way you would put your faith in a parachute. You don't just "believe" it will benefit you, you actually trust yourself to it by putting it on. Then, once you have made peace with God, read the Bible daily and obey what you read.


any thoughts? do you think the message is correct?
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Kind Regards, Stephen!

Not only could that be a gospel tract, I have read one so similar to this some 20 or so years ago that I am thinking it is verbatim. Which is stealing, if not acknowledging the source and author... Hmmm.

Not a very good witness, don't you think, to preach against stealing while committing theft?

I am leaving this for now, for the lesson for all. In reality, I think it should rightly be sin binned. Not for content, but for intent and copyright violation.
 

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juantoo3 said:
Kind Regards, Stephen!

Not only could that be a gospel tract, I have read one so similar to this some 20 or so years ago that I am thinking it is verbatim. Which is stealing, if not acknowledging the source and author... Hmmm.

Not a very good witness, don't you think, to preach against stealing while committing theft?

I am leaving this for now, for the lesson for all. In reality, I think it should rightly be sin binned. Not for content, but for intent and copyright violation.

Hi Juantoo3
Did I hit a raw nerve with this post that you would feel that you had to accuse me of theft

I agree that you have read this before but it was not 20 years ago it was only a month or two ago at this post below
http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2852&page=2&pp=15

I can assure you my friend wrote this tract and in no way was I trying to gain credit or to make myself look good
I just wanted people to read it and give there opinion because it is so different from the tracts that are circulating at the moment.

so please please look into the facts before accusing

your brother in Christ
Stephen

PS. if you would like I can even send the tract in a "Word file" so that you can print them for yourself
 

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when I first read this a couple days ago I was going to comment that it was basically as stephen said in one of his first posts but decided against saying anything since I figured stephen wanted people to comment on it so reposted it in its own thread. :)
 

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I have to admit, I utterly despise the sort of content in the original post.

It effectively presumes a position of moral authority and then attempts to make the other person feel ashamed. Not only that, but it attempts to do so according to invented and self-interested rules.

For example:

Does the fact that you have sinned against God scare you? It should.

It presumes that the speaker is able to site in judgement for God, which I find presumptious in the extreme and pretty contemptible.

This is more to the point that the Ten Commandments are part of a far wider range of proscriptions which were made specifically to the Jewish people. Therefore selectively applying these to non-Christians seems dishonest and false.

Even in the New Testament, we have Jesus declaring that the foundations of all the commandments are to love God and your neighbour - yet the sort of people who push the original content I feel steadfastly obscure that point.

If I were to state with claimed authority that anyone preaching the original post is the worst sinner of all, and beneath the contempt of thieves and prostitutes, then no doubt I would be derided and chided by such people as going against God's law.

But, then again, that's exactly what happened to Jesus, isn't it?

Did Jesus preach to the masses how worthless they were before God? Or did he save that for the preachers themselves?
 

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Kindest Regards, Stephen!

Did I hit a raw nerve with this post that you would feel that you had to accuse me of theft
None other than the one I listed.

I agree that you have read this before but it was not 20 years ago it was only a month or two ago at this post below
http://www.comparative-religion.com...52&page=2&pp=15
No. I do not see everything, and I did not look at this thread until you mentioned it here.

I can assure you my friend wrote this tract and in no way was I trying to gain credit or to make myself look good
I just wanted people to read it and give there opinion because it is so different from the tracts that are circulating at the moment.
It is precisely the difference that makes it stand out in my mind from long ago. The problem I have, and the only reason I feel a need to backtrack a little, is that I cannot prove it. I have misplaced my copy.

so please please look into the facts before accusing
That your friend may have written it may well be, and the possibility of drawing from an earlier source what he deemed good examples and adding to them, is certainly possible.

Because I cannot prove my accusation of plagiarism, is the only reason I feel the need to back off.

I do appreciate your contributions, and it is not my intent to place enmity between us.

I would say though, that it is wise to consider the beam in one's own eye before attempting to pluck the splinter from another's. In that regard, I offer my apology.

Now, I wonder if you can see the same in the tract?
 

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I dont think worthless is the word I would use Brian.. I think it would be unworthy.

I dont agree with the bluntness of the tract mostly because its not my style. I hold to what I said on a previous post about wooing the sheep gently and let God tell the sheep what He wants them to know.. Not bringing them to salvation through fear of hell but with Love and peace that surpasses all understanding.

I believe that we draw them to us by example.. showing the light of Christ in our lives and telling them how much we are loved and what He did for us. Its funny.. but most people believe there is a God but arent sure about Jesus.. who are we supposed to be representing?

Its not to say that this doesnt work with some people and maybe God has a purpose for this kind of message. I do know that God uses any means necessary to get His point across and the clock is not in our favor. So Good luck Stephen and may your light shine forth.
 

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I said:
I have to admit, I utterly despise the sort of content in the original post.

It effectively presumes a position of moral authority and then attempts to make the other person feel ashamed. Not only that, but it attempts to do so according to invented and self-interested rules.

For example:



It presumes that the speaker is able to site in judgement for God, which I find presumptious in the extreme and pretty contemptible.

This is more to the point that the Ten Commandments are part of a far wider range of proscriptions which were made specifically to the Jewish people. Therefore selectively applying these to non-Christians seems dishonest and false.

Even in the New Testament, we have Jesus declaring that the foundations of all the commandments are to love God and your neighbour - yet the sort of people who push the original content I feel steadfastly obscure that point.

If I were to state with claimed authority that anyone preaching the original post is the worst sinner of all, and beneath the contempt of thieves and prostitutes, then no doubt I would be derided and chided by such people as going against God's law.

But, then again, that's exactly what happened to Jesus, isn't it?

Did Jesus preach to the masses how worthless they were before God? Or did he save that for the preachers themselves?

What about Mark 10 Jesus used the Law with the rich young ruler

and here is some quotes from some great preachers on the subject

John Wycliffe, the Bible translator. He said, “The highest service to which a man may obtain on earth is to preach the law of God.”

“If you do not use the law in gospel proclamation, you will fill the church with false converts.”

Martin Luther: He said, “Satan, the god of all dissension stirs up daily new sects. And last of all which of all others I should never have foreseen or once suspected, he has raised up a sect such as teach that men should not be terrified by the law, but gently exhorted by the preaching of the grace of Christ.”

John Wesley said to a friend, in writing to a young evangelist, “Preach 90 percent law and 10 percent grace.”

Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones: "The trouble with people who are not seeking for a Savior, and for salvation, is that they do not understand the nature of sin. It is the peculiar function of the Law to bring such an understanding to a man’s mind and conscience. That is why great evangelical preachers 300 years ago in the time of the Puritans, and 200 years ago in the time of Whitefield and others, always engaged in what they called a preliminary 'Law work.'”

John Newton (wrote "Amazing Grace"): “Ignorance of the nature and design of the Law is at the bottom of most religious mistakes.”

Charles Spurgeon: “I do not believe that any man can preach the gospel who does not preach the Law.” Then he warns, “Lower the Law and you dim the light by which man perceives his guilt; this is a very serious loss to the sinner rather than a gain; for it lessens the likelihood of his conviction and conversion. I say you have deprived the gospel of its ablest auxiliary [its most powerful weapon] when you have set aside the Law. You have taken away from it the schoolmaster that is to bring men to Christ . . . They will never accept grace till they tremble before a just and holy Law. Therefore the Law serves a most necessary purpose, and it must not be removed from its place.”

Jonathan Edwards: “The only way we can know whether we are sinning is by knowing His Moral Law.”

George Whitefield said to his hearers, “First, then, before you can speak peace to your hearts, you must be made to see, made to feel, made to weep over, made to bewail, your actual transgressions against the Law of God.”

John Wesley: "...it is the ordinary method of the Spirit of God to convict sinners by the Law. It is this which, being set home on the conscience, generally breaketh the rocks in pieces. It is more especially this part of the Word of God which is quick and powerful, full of life and energy and sharper than any two-edged sword."

Martin Luther: "The first duty of the Gospel preacher is to declare God's Law and show the nature of sin."

John Wesley: "It remains only to show...the uses of the Law. And the first use of it, without question, is to convince the world of sin. By this is the sinner discovered to himself. All his fig-leaves are torn away, and he sees that he is 'wretched and poor and miserable, blind and naked.' The Law flashes conviction on every side. He feels himself a mere sinner. He has nothing to pay. His 'mouth is stopped' and he stands 'guilty before God.' To slay the sinner is then the first use of the Law, to destroy the life and strength wherein he trusts and convince him that he is dead while he lives; not only under the sentence of death, but actually dead to God, void of all spiritual life, dead in trespasses and sins."

Charles Spurgeon: "The Law cuts into the core of the evil, it reveals the seat of the malady, and informs us that the leprosy lies deep within."

C. S. Lewis: “When we merely say that we are bad, the ‘wrath’ of God seems a barbarous doctrine; as soon as we perceive our bad-ness, it appears inevitable, a mere corollary from God’s goodness…”

Martin Luther: "...we would not see nor realize it (what a distressing and horrible fall in which we lie), if it were not for the Law, and we would have to remain forever lost, if we were not again helped out of it through Christ. Therefore the Law and the Gospel are given to the end that we may learn to know both how guilty we are and to what we should again return."

J. I. Packer: "Unless we see our shortcomings in the light of the Law and holiness of God, we do not see them as sin at all."
John Bunyan: “The man who does not know the nature of the Law, cannot know the nature of sin.”

A. W. Pink: “Just as the world was not ready for the New Testament before it received the Old, just as the Jews were not prepared for the ministry of Christ until John the Baptist had gone before Him with his claimant call to repentance, so the unsaved are in no condition today for the Gospel till the Law be applied to their hearts, for ‘by the Law is the knowledge of sin.’ It is a waste of time to sow seed on ground which has never been ploughed or spaded! To present the vicarious sacrifice of Christ to those whose dominant passion is to take fill of sin, is to give that which is holy to the dogs.”

Augustine: “The Law is not in fault, but our evil and wicked nature; even as a heap of lime is still and quiet until water be poured thereon, but then it begins to smoke and burn, not from the fault of the water, but from the nature and kind of the lime which will not endure it.”

Matthew Henry: “Herein is the Law of God above all other laws, that it is a spiritual law. Other laws may forbid compassing and imagining, which are treason in the heart, but cannot take cognizance thereof, unless there be some overt act; but the Law of God takes notice of the iniquity regarded in the heart, though it go no further.”

Martin Luther: “Satan, the God of all dissension, stirreth up daily new sects, and last of all, which of all other I should never have foreseen or once suspected, he has raised up a sect as such as teach…that men should not be terrified by the Law, but gently exhorted by the preaching of the grace of Christ.”

John Wesley: “While he cries out, O what love have I to thy Law! all the day long is my study in it. He sees daily, in that divine mirror, more and more of his own sinfulness. He sees more and more clearly, that he is fullness a sinner in all things -- that neither his heart nor his ways are right before God, and that every moment sends him to Christ.
“Therefore I cannot spare the Law one moment, no more than I can spare Christ, seeing I now want it as much to keep me to Christ, as I ever wanted it to bring me to Him. Otherwise this ‘evil heart of unbelief’ would immediately ‘depart from the living God.’ Indeed each is continually sending me to the other--the Law to Christ, and Christ to the Law.”

In a sermon published way back in 1537, Martin Luther spoke of the Law being used as a schoolmaster the bring sinners to Christ. Listen to his words of warning:

“This now is the Christian teaching and preaching, which God be praised, we know and possess, and it is not necessary at present to develop it further, but only to offer the admonition that it be maintained in Christendom with all diligence. For Satan has attacked it hard and strong from the beginning until the present, and gladly would he completely extinguish it and tread it underfoot.”

D. L. Moody: "Ask Paul why [the Law] was given. Here is his answer, ‘That every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become
guilty before God’ (Romans 3:19). The Law stops every man’s mouth. I can always tell a man who is near the kingdom of God; his
mouth is stopped. This, then, is why God gives us the Law—to show us ourselves in our true colors."
 

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Aw, now, are we going to rehash the other thread? Is that necessary?

BTW, did your friend write this too? Would you mind crediting your friend? It does look a bit professional...
 

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I did apologize for not having proof, and now you dodge crediting your friend?

Or do you not read what is written to you?


sorry you must have posted it while i was writing the other post so I deleted it

my friends name is Ray if that helps
 

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I do hope my point of the lesson of the beam and splinter are not lost in the confusion of the last few posts. This is meant as constructive criticism.
 

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juantoo3 said:
I do hope my point of the lesson of the beam and splinter are not lost in the confusion of the last few posts. This is meant as constructive criticism.

yes thank you any critism is welcome and that was the reason for the post in the first place. the point of the tract or sermon is not for the person who proclaims or gives it to you to sit in judgment. The Christian is not "judging others" but simply telling the world of God’s judgment —that God (not the Christian) has judged all the world as being guilty before Him (Romans 3:19,23).

Romans 2:12 says For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

so when people say that all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God
what standard have we fallen short of?
 

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Faithfulservant said:
I believe that we draw them to us by example.. showing the light of Christ in our lives...

Just wanted to highlight this part, with which I strongly agree. I might amend it a bit to smooth out the "them and us" division, because I believe we are all in this together regardless of our faith or lack of.

Christ's love speaks for itself when we allow it to shine in our lives.

lunamoth
 

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Kindest Regards, Stephen!

I think I understand where you are coming from. I see you quote Romans 2. Do you understand the rest of the chapter? Particularly the part about those without the law, do the law by their very nature, and are a witness to themselves?

so when people say that all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God
what standard have we fallen short of?
I thought of much to say this afternoon, but I don't know how much I should say.

I think the important part is the "mommy-style" guilt trip laid out. To those of us here, it is not necessary, even to a degree insulting. I think we as Christians all know we are not perfect in the eyes of God. It is our job to try to keep ourselves as unblemished as possible, but absolute perfection is impossible without God.

To those that don't know any better, and are still subject to guilt trips, perhaps your message would be received. However, what of those who receive this message, and then wake up to the fact of having a guilt trip laid on them? For many, it is sufficient to drive them away from Christ's message. I lost count of how many people who I have spoken to who have told me something to this effect. That they were enamored of Christianity until they realized Christians do not always live up to what they preach. Admittedly, usually that was one specific individual who disappointed them, but in their eyes that individual represented Christianity. How many choir boys raped by priests remain in the faith?

I think Brian said it well, the writer sits in judgement in the place of God, as though speaking for God. A rather lofty perch, a rather high pedestal. I know of no person living capable of sustaining such a lofty position. Invariably, they will fail and fall, and somebody watching will be disappointed.

I find it is better, in every respect, to reach out to someone as an equal. Not look down my nose to someone as a hopeless subordinate wretch. I say this from experience. I used to speak from a lofty perch, and God put me on my butt. I want to believe I learned that lesson. Now I know I am still, for all of my effort otherwise, a hopeful subordinate wretch. Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me...

Put another way, in this context the bumper sticker is correct:
"Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven"
 

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Oh, man, I had to go find it...i did not want it to be there, but there it is...all over the web. My profound apologise Juan. I apologise to you as well Stephen. Your friend, did you wrong, it appears. It is not his work.

http://www.livingwaters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=256

http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goodperson.html

There were a half dozen more links...but this makes the point.

The point is a direct violation of Copyright laws, without the "quotes" and/or name recognition as author.

This is what we must watch out for, and why we ask that personal dialogue be posted here, and not cut and paste or using other's "Property" without due consent, or acknowledgement.

Sometimes we find out that "property" is not theirs to begin with...

Again, my apologies to all here. And can we start again?

v/r

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Hi, guys--peace, everyone--

I am in this position every day--as a freelance editor, it is up to me to find out if people (often friends) can document their resources. It is sometimes a very difficult thing to ascertain, even in this info age...

InPeace,
InLove
 

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InLove said:
Hi, guys--peace, everyone--

I am in this position every day--as a freelance editor, it is up to me to find out if people (often friends) can document their resources. It is sometimes a very difficult thing to ascertain, even in this info age...

InPeace,
InLove

...unless youv'e the mind of a "ferret"...but that is not always so good either.
 
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