If not Jesus, then who?

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  1. Shibolet

    Shibolet Well-Known Member

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    I can't as I am not Greek or Christian. The idea of an individual son of God from among the Jews was fabricated by Paul according to the Greek myth of the demigod, which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. (Acts 9:20)
     
  2. donnann

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    Jesus that was here about 2000 years ago is Michael the Archangel incarnate. He is one of the Elohim the firstborn.
     
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    See what I mean? Such a kind of incarnation is unheard of among the Jews. Jesus was a Jew and you must not forget it.
     
  4. donnann

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    He is not the only one who incarnated. The bible says I have sent ye saviours. He is just about as high as you go next to god, unless he was god as some Christians believe.
     
  5. donnann

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    To explain a little more: Divine beings some refer to as angels are much larger and consist of more light spread out than human beings. When a divine being incarnates into the human egg they condense and descend into the egg and are sealed. Picture a pot of rapidly boiling water and the bubbles are the divine being. You shut off the heat and the bubbles condense which is they way I describe how a divine being condenses. The body itself then becomes a series of seal openings and bindings like the transfiguration of jesus, the baptism of jesus, ending in ascension.
    Each seal opening and binding has meaning and is those meanings are directly tied to human salvation .
     
  6. Shibolet

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    If you can provide me with a quote from the Tanach, I will appreciate. If not, I can do without quotes from the NT on this one.
     
  7. Shibolet

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    Angels are not beings but emanations. Emanations do not incarnate. But to play along, when this divine being incarnate into the human egg of a woman, who is the father, God? That's the same as the Greek myth of the demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. It can't happen in Judaism; only in Greek Mythology and Hellenistic religions like Christianity.
     
  8. Devils' Advocate

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    Not sure one can say that the Greeks had virgin births, though we have to be careful with our definitions here. All the Greek demigods were implanted into women the mortal way. Gods came to Earth in a physical form to lay with women.

    Virgin births are more associated with the spirit of a God. Virgin births like this are not uncommon in early religions either. Virgin births can be found in many religions, including Hinduism, Sumerian and even Egyptian.
     
  9. donnann

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    A virgin birth is when a divine being condenses and descends into the human egg and are sealed. Since divine beings are made up of more light spread out this is how it is done. A divine being is identified with miracles involving the body which are openings and bindings of the sealed body and has some meaning for human salvation.
     
  10. Shibolet

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    Except in Judaism, anyway.
     

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