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Exactly the part we omit when most of them are taught any religion...'it's a story.' We grow up learning myths that we think are fact, somewhere along the line our hearts are dashed against the wall all becuase we weren't told the books were full of metaphor and allegory. The names, dates have been modified, that it is the underlying concept that we are after not chapte and verse... In regards to what our kids do and how they grow, I have to find that quote from Kahil Gibran... I do know they were not born or brought here to live upto our expectations...as much as we'd like.That is what is expressly at issue here.
No, I think that's an overstatement.
I would rather my kids didn't practice the occult arts - and I would certainly rather they didn't engage in them on the basis of the contents of a childrens' book. That's all I was saying. I let them read HP, but I do say 'it's a story.'
lol, my son in 5th grade argues with his friends, "Of course there is a Santa Claus, my dad wouldn't buy all that stuff?" And I know Santa Claus or Father Christmas is real, as it is the spirit we carry in our heart that brings us joy, 'it's a story' but like the rest, not just a story there are underlying principles that are fantastic...as with HP, or Aesop, or ...Nor are kids stupid:
"Do you believe in Father Christmas?" this to my teenage daughter.
"On whether or not I still get a present from Santa if I say no."
I think we did have the basics, but we've rewritten the book how many times. That is where religions fail us, they have issues with rewriting the books when new information comes to light. (another tada for our bahai friends) Correct me if I'm wrong but math went through many incarnations prior to establishing negative numbers and zero, and then newton revised thought and then Einstien as well...somebody is next. As we want to accomplish things we couldn't before we develop the science and the math and the technology follows... currently we can't travel anywhere close to the speed of light, what we see on sci-fi and more probably will exist someday...As a complete aside - and entirely speculative:
We have the ever changing science ... whose reality changes as our knowledge of the big and small and the web that holds it all together/apart increases.
I wonder about this. Has science changed that much? I know the technology has, but the Greeks had the basics of atomic theory? Mathematics, etc. Their optics were a bit of a mess, admittedly. We know in detail a lot more, but generally, I'm not so sure that much has changed.
What has changed is our subjectivity - and in it our certainties?
Yes, but which of those three witnesses has the facts, if any? You are right the absolute worst evidence is an eye witness, but is that not what the Gospels and many religions are based on? Eyewitnesses and then years of retelling and modifying the story?Any policeman will tell you with three witnesses, there's three different versions of an event. But nonetheless, there is a reality - an event was witnessed - is there any way we can approach reality?
And does that mean we must allow any version of the event? Even that version of someone who was not a witness?
imo Personal responsibility is King, but certainty about things we don't have first hand knowledge to, and things we 'remember' are guaranteed questionable. As for science, it applies to what we know today...we couldn't use the what the greeks or egyptians had to get to the moon, but it was a foundation we built off of, modified, but built off of.Just how much are we obliged to live and let live?
I'm not so sure that our opening the door to the idea that we can say nothing with any certainty about anything, is a failure of responsibility and a retreat from reality as such?
As such I'm not sure it's science that insists on 'negotiable reality' (if it does then surely its whole foundation is flawed) as a certain strain of nihilistic philosophy?
And yet we can appreciate, according to the laws of nature, the existence of certitude, of certainty, and therefore objective reality.