9/11 - An American Conspiracy?

Discussion in 'Politics and Society' started by mikie8, Nov 1, 2003.

  1. Anzac

    Anzac Resident Anarchist

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    Rage against the machine did use them in their song "Testify" but Orwell said them first in relation to the changing scope of history and the whole "forget but don't forgive" trend.

    I do really appreciate someone who is impartial on these things as they tend to be able to look at them in an unclouded light.

    Back on thread (American conspiracy) it's hardly a conspiracy in my eyes as such after looking at the whole thing. Like I said before, the American regime doesn't actually cover itself up that much, it just leaves so much untouched that you have to plough through thousands of pieces of information to get to what they mean. The Americans never denied Iraq being involved in September 11th, but they never said they did it either (however, they did admit recently the two things were unrelated, only on a side article at the end of some document at the end of one of Mr. Bush's speeches - it seems to have yet again avoided the limelight). The US government has always sought to put it's foot well and truly in everyone elses business because it can and this is yet another example - and they always have to come out on top. This is where you see the "coincidence" of September 11th and Afghanistan and Iraq targeted by the US. You notice how quickly they were able to implement such large scale plans of invasion. Also look at the Patriotism act - there are 1000s of clauses that are changed and made different yet it was in place less than two weeks after the attacks. It has taken me around two months to read them all let alone understand them all.

    However, take this as you will - but after all, the one superpower can continue to go untouched as long as no other superpower arises - and they're doing their best to make it remain that way.
     
  2. mikie8

    mikie8 New Member

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    "However, take this as you will - but after all, the one superpower can continue to go untouched as long as no other superpower arises - and they're doing their best to make it remain that way." well said anzac

    the war in vietnam had nothing to do with defeating the vc but to stop russia increasing its influence over the east .The cold war was because an out right war would be too costly and so a way to devide and concour was put in place .
     
  3. Fern

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    I am American & believe that 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely'. Because of this, I pray that the European countries ban together and as the EU are able to become - or be a formidable stabilizing force to the US.

    Excessive power usually turns into excessive force, as shown by our sinful invading of Iraq.

    Know that not all Americans believe in 'my country right or wrong', but unfortunately, today the media increasing portray us as such. There are some very level headed people here - it just seems that in the political venue they get drowned out by the noise of those who are looking for soundbites. Sad...
     
  4. emong

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    You are absolutely correct, Fern.

    I know of not one person that is a mirror of how the media portrays us.
    The media has become too powerful in swaying public opinion by the simple suggestion of what we should think. Some time I really think that George Orwell was a true prophet and this is "Animal Farm".
     
  5. Friend

    Friend In the Name of God

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    Comments About 11 September


    1- The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down.

    2- WHY then attack Iraq? especially since we now know the reasons were all bogus and now it seems USA is more keen to establish FREEDOM in Iraq than find those nasty Al Queda operatives.. it just doesn't add up.

    3- Much like the invasion of Iraq, the anthrax attacks were designed to deflect attention from unanswered 9/11 questions in the patriotic pandemonium that followed the tragedy.

    4- Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims. The supposed enemy we attacked in Afghanistan was a diverse group of men from all over the world who were initially recruited, encouraged and supported by the American CIA.


    5- The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit.


    6- The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington.


    7- Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated.


    8- Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked.


    9- The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel.


    10- What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures.


    11- The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers (as was done in Oklahoma City), and these controlled implosions snuffed out the lives of three thousand people.


    12- Numerous previous attempts at using planes as weapons, intimate knowledge of terror plans called Project Bojinka, and knowledge of suspicious characters attending flight schools who were being monitored by the FBI make his utterance a clear lie on its face.


    13- In the weeks before 9/11, the U.S. received warnings from all over the world that an event just like this was about to happen, but FBI investigations into suspected terrorists were suppressed and those warnings were deliberately disregarded.


    14- The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers?


    15- Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries. Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?


    16- Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment. These calls were cynical fabrications, exploiting the distraught emotions of those who lost loved ones.


    17- Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.


    18- Bush's own brother was chief of security at World Trade Centre !!!!.



    19- Anyone with any knowledge of the different types of FIRE knows that BLACK smoke indicates a fuel fire. You see WHITE smoke when something that will leave an ASH (such as paper or wood) burns. There was a lot of BLACK SMOKE coming off the towers before they collapsed.



    20- In addition to making large amounts of money for the president's father and his friends from the hasty sale of inefficient drugs to a panicked populace, the investigation into these killings was abruptly halted when the trail of evidence led straight to the government's door, and has not been reopened.




    21- The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it.






    22- Hundreds of pictures taken by many people show that a 757 could not have hit the Pentagon."

    23- No airplane debris (except what was planted on the lawn) nor remains of passengers were ever found.


    24- It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York. In that film, the plane in question does not appear to be a passenger airliner.




    25- The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn.






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    Questions still need answers


    26- Who benefited from the suspiciously high numbers of put options purchased prior to September 11 for shares in companies whose stock prices subsequently plummeted, on the supposition that whoever was behind the hijacking was also behind most of the purchases of these put options?


    27- Why was the debris from the collapsed Twin Towers removed from the site with no forensic examination? Why was almost all of it sold to scrap merchants and shipped abroad where it would not be available for scientific examination?


    28- Why does the government refuse to release any transcripts of communications or any records at all relating to signals of any form transmitted by those jets?


    29- Why did so many people, from San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to many employees of companies in the World Trade Center who failed to come to work that day, know in advance that something bad was going to happen on Sept. 11, 2001?


    30- Why do all the major U.S. media continue to act as if none of these questions is legitimate or relevant?




     

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