Post-theistic Christianity "Other view"

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I'm not into castigating people or getting up on a judgemental high horse. I don't mind dissent and dissension...got a pretty thick skin on that account. I do find it interesting when people are so insular and defensive that they can't stand for an opposing or alternate viewpoint to even be expressed. I think that everyone has a right to a modicum of respect for just being alive, but it's hard for me to accord any respect beyond that to people who start calling others agents of Satan and the anti-Christ, passive-aggressive egomaniacs, or start in babbling that "demons at the hedgerows" stuff.

Chris
 

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China Cat Sunflower said:
What is SS? SelectSmart?

Chris

Sore Subject...:eek:

a member who insisted certain things, and wouldn't take no for an answer.
 

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I believe this thread has served its purpose.

It has been harrowing and enlightening all at once.

Back to our original program...

v/r

Q
 

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Quahom1 said:
This is in no way an SS thing. I personally take affront to the veiled insults.

This is an expression of free speech, an expression of "Christian ideals" whether or not everyone agrees with them. Yes, the spirit will out, as it is already showing. I think it is revealing itself as the spirit of disdain, intolerance and contempt.

Q

well, that is my opinion. you dont have to agree with me. am i not allowed to give my opinion? are you telling me i dont have free speech all of the sudden but everyone else does? is this thread only for certain people?
i see 3 others here who mentioned the same exact thing, so i cant be that far off base...perhaps not to that degree.
are my expressions of 'christian ideals' of Jesus not allowed?

on the other hand, i am glad these people are here! & you know why? because they search for freedom & independence from the power of hierarchy (in the common sense) over the past 2 mil.
 

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Bandit said:
well, that is my opinion. you dont have to agree with me. am i not allowed to give my opinion? are you telling me i dont have free speech all of the sudden but everyone else does? is this thread only for certain people?
i see 3 others here who mentioned the same exact thing, so i cant be that far off base...perhaps not to that degree.
are my expressions of 'christian ideals' of Jesus not allowed?

on the other hand, i am glad these people are here! & you know why? because they search for freedom & independence from the power of hierarchy (in the common sense) over the past 2 mil.

If I were you, I would consider backing off the cynicism...
 

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Quahom1 said:
If I were you, I would consider backing off the cynicism...

i am being very serious.

please answer my questions.
 

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China Cat Sunflower said:
I'm not into castigating people or getting up on a judgemental high horse. I don't mind dissent and dissension...got a pretty thick skin on that account. I do find it interesting when people are so insular and defensive that they can't stand for an opposing or alternate viewpoint to even be expressed. I think that everyone has a right to a modicum of respect for just being alive, but it's hard for me to accord any respect beyond that to people who start calling others agents of Satan and the anti-Christ, passive-aggressive egomaniacs, or start in babbling that "demons at the hedgerows" stuff.

Chris

hey. i dont think that is you brother. you have been way cool here. & i have truly enjoyed everyone of your interpretations of scripture & have been way impressed.:)
& i say that with total sincerity.
 

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Quahom1 said:
If I recall history correctly, Thomas Jefferson (then president of the United States) personally assured a relatively new sect of Christians in a letter, of their God given right to express themselves, and to worship as they deemed fit, with no interference from anyone, not even the State. They were the Ani Baptists of New England.
It was when I mentioned the Jeffersonian Gospels and the changes and ommissions he made to M, M, L & J that got me in hot water before....and still. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water...Spong doesn't hold a candle to some of Jefferson's discussions on this topic.
 

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Kindest Regards, wil!

It was when I mentioned the Jeffersonian Gospels and the changes and ommissions he made to M, M, L & J that got me in hot water before....and still. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water...Spong doesn't hold a candle to some of Jefferson's discussions on this topic.
Yes, when you first brought up the topic it was considered a bit...controversial. More so than it was felt this forum was capable of handling, which is why it was pulled. I believe I stated early in this thread that this was an experiment to see if we could make things work. It seems most of the storm has blown over, perhaps now (at least in this thread) something like Jefferson's views could be raised if done respectfully.

I have heard allusion to Jefferson's views, and in light of the wording of the Declaration of Independence and Preamble to the Constitution, I can see where this may be so.

I have also recently heard that Sir Isaac Newton, an ordained clergyman, had some rather "heretical" views that kept him out of the pulpit. So Jefferson was not unique.

Jefferson was raised in a conversation I had recently. Consider, Jefferson was a consumate statesman if nothing else. While he may have had "non-mainstream" views, he was also accutely aware his consituency had decidedly mainstream views, and he of necessity played to that need on the part of those he served. If I recall correctly, Jefferson was instrumental in advocating the separation of church and state, unheard of before then (in practice). The U.S. was founded initially at Jamestown Va by Christians of the church of England, and shortly after a group of religious dissidents (Quakers?) fleeing the church of England founded Plymouth Rock in Mass. Maryland was founded by refugee Catholics from England. The U.S. has a great deal of Christian ancestry, and its legal codes are founded in large part on Christian values (not least the Ten Commandments). Even so, separation of church and state affords the Constitutional Right and Guarantee of freedom of worship for all, that the government cannot abridge. The exception in practice being when law is broken by excuse of religion (i.e., polygamy, illegal drug use, etc.). Even these sometimes are overturned with due process.

In general, Americans as a people are free to worship as we please, or not worship if we choose not to do so. By Constitutional Right. No matter how much we disagree, or view another as heretical, infidel, or heathen. We have no right to impose our religion on any other. Having laid this as a rule, I realize there are exceptions. People are people, and there will always be those who will abuse their authority to undermine the intent and purpose. That is one of the great things about being American, we can stand up against these people, and undo the wrongs done by them. Even if that wrong was committed with the best of intent.
 

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YNOT said:
I'm wondering if anyone has read any books by the former Bishop John Shelby Spong. Does anyone have any opinions (for/against) on Spong's post-theistic interpretation of Christianity? Is he right when he professes the death of Theism as a reality in our midst or can the ancient theistic world-view and vocabulary be salvaged in our postmodern world? I am in the middle of reading Spong's A New Christianity for a New World and I find it fascinating.

My name is Tony by the way and it is nice to meet all of you. :)

I'm not sure where YNOT has gone (are you still lurking?), but over my vacation I read Tillich's The Courage to Be and thought of this thread. He also talks about a post-theistic interpretation of Christianity, and I found myself intrigued. I'm not sure I understood it all, and need to read it again (but foolishly lent it my sister already), but the 'theistic God' which is dying/dead is really our human construst of God, a God which is limited, almost an anthropomorhic idea of God. The living God, on the other hand, is the God that we find after going into the abyss, not a Being, but Being itself and the Ground of our Being.

Anyhoo, in light of this I'd like to read Spong, and more Tillich, whether or not I will ultimately find myself agreeing with them or not.

"Being religious means asking passionately the question of the meaning of our existence and being willing to receive answers, even if the answers hurt." --Paul Tillich
 

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lunamoth said:
I'm not sure where YNOT has gone (are you still lurking?), but over my vacation I read Tillich's The Courage to Be and thought of this thread. He also talks about a post-theistic interpretation of Christianity, and I found myself intrigued. I'm not sure I understood it all, and need to read it again (but foolishly lent it my sister already), but the 'theistic God' which is dying/dead is really our human construst of God, a God which is limited, almost an anthropomorhic idea of God. The living God, on the other hand, is the God that we find after going into the abyss, not a Being, but Being itself and the Ground of our Being.

Anyhoo, in light of this I'd like to read Spong, and more Tillich, whether or not I will ultimately find myself agreeing with them or not.

"Being religious means asking passionately the question of the meaning of our existence and being willing to receive answers, even if the answers hurt." --Paul Tillich
hey Lunamoth. That would be my view of the big G-man:D Have a good one, earl
 

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Don't know if Buckminster Fuller was the first to say it or not-"God is a verb," but maybe we're better off taking God out of the noun category alyogether. I think it's interesting that 1 etymology of the word god was from the Germanic, "geutan," which was a verb meaning "to pour." Could do some interesting associations to that. Take care, earl
 

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earl said:
Don't know if Buckminster Fuller was the first to say it or not-"God is a verb," but maybe we're better off taking God out of the noun category alyogether. I think it's interesting that 1 etymology of the word god was from the Germanic, "geutan," which was a verb meaning "to pour." Could do some interesting associations to that. Take care, earl

So my definition/idea of God actually fits the etymology of the word "god"?

Cool! :cool:
 

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Hey earl! Thanks for the feedback on my post. We do think alike on many things I've noticed.

*slight derailment* Can you (or anyone) recomend a book title for a good into to Meister Eckardt? I've been wanting to read some of his work but don't know the best place to begin. What would be really great is something that has some biography and commentary as well as a good chunk of his own writings.

cheers,
luna
 

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well actually like any self-respecting cyber world inhabitant, get all my best material, including as re Eckhart, from internet searches, ( i tend to look for God in the computer-"dues es machina"?), too much:p I betcha Thomas could rattle off titles of his published works-he's such a good repository of that stuff. You can though find his "greatest hits" of quotes and other brief snippets on the net. you could start with his fan club-the Eckhart Society @
http://www.op.org/eckhart/default.HTM

Enjoy your reading-the guy's insights are awesome. He's still my one and maybe only tether into the "Christian" world. have a good one, earl
 

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Time to get off this dang thing-God's trying to tell me something as my computer linkage just went wacko as I was attempting to fix my chronic typos & posted the message twice. Time for some real world adventures:D earl
 
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