I dont get it....

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  1. NoName

    NoName New Member

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    Hello its bin a while since I posted here there somthing that I dont understand about Islam that I hoping you could clear up. Muhmuda is the last prophet and tells the world the Jesus is not the son of god and there is no trinty, right? Stop me if I get any of this wrong and if I do, sorry, and in both the Christian religon and the Muslims tell us Jesus never sins but in the muslims religon jesus still claimed to be son of god. So if the Muslim jesus is perfect then why did he say somthing that was not ture. He could not have lied becuase then he would of sin, but he is the a perfect man as well so he could not have made a mistake. So why do the muslims need Muhamud (I know spelled wrong sorry:( ) to say that ether jesus lied or at leat made a mistake when both the Christians and the muslims belive he was pefect?

    Sorry for my bad spelling, the sad part is I want to become a writer.
     
  2. aburaees

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    There is no Islamic source in which Jesus claims to be the son of God. The claim was made by other people and attributed to Jesus.
     
  3. Light

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    aburaees, I concur...

    Jesus always claims himself a prophet. There is no source within the Islamic scriptures that says otherwise.
     
  4. Out There

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    Assaluamu'alaikum Warahmatullah,
    As have been clarified by the two brothers above there is no mention of the Prophet Jesus a.s. or Isa a.s. as the "Son of God" in any authentic Islamic source namely in the Qur'an and Ahadith. In Islam he is known as the son of Mary/Mariam(Isa ibn Maryam, Surah Al-Imran, verse45)...He was a human and messenger appointed by Allah the One True Lord of the Worlds, no more, no less. But anyway the Bible does call him the son of God. But I would reason that this does not denote a literal meaning. Christians would have it that this title "Son of God" is actualy something unique and in the Bible is bestowed only to Jesus. This is far from the truth. Many other Biblical personages are called the Sons of God. The following are some examples :
    "The Lord said to Me,'Thou art My Son, this day I have begotten Thee.'"(Psalms 2:7)

    "So, that one shall be My son, and I will be his Father."(1 Chronicles 22:10)

    "This is the Lord's message,'Israel is My first born son.'"(Exodus 4:22)

    "You are God's, indeed, you are all sons of the Most High."(Psalms 82:6)

    Some are even called Gods! Satan is called the God of the world..does that mean he controls the world i.e. weather, and life itself? absolutely not..you see people are taking these metaphorical things literally. The Bible is filled with Hebraic metaphores and similes. Unfortunately the believers of the Bible are looking at them not through Jewish glasses but rather through Greek glasses. That's why all the confusion.....
     
  5. Azure24

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    I quote you said "...Believers of the Bible..." I recomend you rephrase that because Christain people actually do visit this section (in case you didn't already know). But to the most point i agree with you. We are all son's of God i.e. children of God i.e. Gods creation. Also consider this the Bible wasn't originally written in English perhaps the translation was corrupted. Or maybe Jesus really is the son of God? Who is to say otherwise The Qui'ran? But it is but only book as is the Bible who is to say who is Wrong? All i say is this, Jesus was concieved of immaculate conception. Everyone has a father, therefore who is Jesus'?
     
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    The Quran recognizes the fact that Jesus had no human father, but this does not make him the son of God, or God himself. By this criterion, Adam would have been more entitled more entitled to be the son of God, because he had neither a father nor a mother, so the Quran draws attention to the miraculous creation of both in the following verses; " truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then He said upon him, 'Be' and hi was. (Al-Imran 3:59)
    The Quran rejects the concept of Trinity God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit - as strongly as it rejects the concept of Jesus as the son of God. This is because GOD IS ONE. Three cannot be one. The Quran addresses Christians in the following verses from the Surrah entitled "An-Nisaa" (The Women)
    People of the Book, do not go beyond the bounds in your religion, and say nought as to God but the Truth. The messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the messenger of God, and his word (Fulfilment of his word (Fulfilment of His command, through the word "Be", for the creation of Jesus) that he committed to Mary, and a spirit originating from Him (was given life by God). So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not 'Three'. Refrain, better is for you. God is only one God. Glory be to him-that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the Heavens and in the Earth; God suffices for a guardian
     
  7. Azure24

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    Is it not God that made all things, therefore all things are through God. Which means that God is many things. The whole trinity thing is not to be taken literally, it just means that Jesus and the Holy Spirit both share his likeness.
     
  8. Azure24

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    The Son is the manifestation of God in action, the physical connection between God the Father and his creation, together forming a complete and perfect God. He personifies love and compassion and volunteers to die for humankind in order to redeem them, showing his dedication and selflessness. Through his human form the Son will be descended from Adam, through whom all men died, but He will be a second Adam, by whom all men shall be saved.
     
  9. Light

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    Muslims don't look at it that way. Allah made everything in this world. By Allah simply saying 'be' what HE will is created. Therefore, contrast to what you've said, we know the existence of God through all HIS Creation.

    Holy Trinity - Let me remind you that this is the Islam forum, thus don't push your doctorine on us. On the Holy Trinity, Muslims totally reject this as it was rejected by the verses in Quran. You've said that it should not be taken literally, the fact of associating God as one and three is a very confusing statement.

    By you saying that Jesus and Holy Spirit both share his (I am assuming his is God's) likeness, you're claiming that you can visualise God physical form. That is also unacceptable in Islam. Simply because no one can see God in this life, and it is not permissible for us to associate God to any objects in this world. God is unique and beyond the realms of our limited imagination. Thus the only way to know HIM is by his attributes. That is why you can never find any reference in Islam about God physical form.

    Are you saying that God the Father is not perfect without his creation? So, that imply that God needed his creation to become perfect. Thus, we can say that, base on your belief, God in the beginning is not perfect. That is totally absurd in Islam. Distinctively we know that Allah is Al-Azimu (THE MAGNIFICENT, THE GREAT ONE).

    If Jesus voluteers to die for humankind in order to redeem them, how did he achieve his goal for people who die before him? Does this mean all the people (previous civilisation before the coming of Jesus) will go to hell because they don't believe in Jesus?

    You said that the Son is the manifestation of God in action, have you ever ask yourself - Why do God need his Son to act for him? If he needs help from his Son, then it is showing that God is not independant. Muslims believe that Allah is independant. See Surah 112 Translation below;
    By what you've said, it invalidates this verses. Thus why we Muslims do not believe Christian theology.

    Talking about him volunteering to die for humankind, I can show you in the bible that this is not true. If someone volunteers, he will come forward without a fight. However the bible is saying otherwise. Look into Matthew 26:34-39. These verses describe how Jesus plans for his defence by putting 8 of his disciple at the entrance and place the other 2 further inside to make an inner line of defence. Then he prayed as described in 37-39. Pay attention to verses 37-39.

    Can I ask you, does Christian pray like Jesus did in the verse above? Fell on his face? I can say that Muslims prayed like Jesus, Fall our face - our forhead, both palms, both knees and two soles touching the ground.
    The last statement 'nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt' - this is a quality of a good muslims whom submit to God's will.

    Regards.
     
  10. Out There

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    Yes we go side by side as far as God being the creator of everything. But you see....you're now applying the concept of anthropomorphism to the Divine Creator as what the believers of the Vedas(Hindus) have done. The difference between me and you is that I believe God is one and only one and there is none like unto him(Surah al-ikhlas). Nothing can ever be associated with him. God is God and He must never be confused with His creations. This is the stand of the Muslims...you on the other hand contrariwise these conceptions.

    The trinity should not be taken literally? How should it be taken then? Why don't you explain the Athanisian creed to us....
     
  11. BlaznFattyz

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    in one of the surah's isnt there reference to the holy spirit?

    in christianity, jesus is not a creation. although he was born on earth of God's holy spirit to a virgin and lived on earth for a short while, he always existed as the Word of God, with God, as God, and back to heaven to the throne of God he went from where he came.
     
  12. Out There

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    The Ruh al-quds mentioned in the Qur'an is Malaikah Jibrail or the Angel Gabriel...He was the one who brought glad tidings to Maryam the mother of Isa a.s. regarding the imaculate conception that she went through....Allah says in the Qur'an that for Him to create Jesus He merely has to say Kun Faya Kun meaning Be and it is. The Muslims do not believe in the Christians' story of Jesus' imaculate conception.
     
  13. Azure24

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    Then let me remind you (as a visitor learning about other faiths), just because this is The Islam forum it doesn't mean you can push it on me niether.;)
    Wrong, by saying his likeness i am not claiming that i can visualise God's form (God doesn't have a physical from, you should know that). What i mean by likeness is by his views, and his teachings.
    Nor can you in Christianity (remember there isn't any).
    Says who?:confused:
    No, because people don't believe in Jesus. They believe in God. Also because of Jesus there are more people aware of God's presence (not neccesary believers though). He is also responsible for one of the largest religions in the world, some achievement don't you think?:rolleyes:
    I've asked myself, and myself says there are some ignorant people in this world who don't understand and God himself isn't going to come down from his Kingdom to get through to those ...Lets say slower ones is he? So he sent a human representative with his likeness (don't start that again). And besides if you ask and i quote 'Why do God need his Son to act for him?' you must then also ask why does God need anyone to act for him? So then explain the use of prophets to me then?
    Hmmm, no offence but i don't believe in Islam's (on some points) theology as well.
    Jesus was not planning a defence he simply did not want to be interupted in his prayer. If he indeed was not volunteering he simply would've escaped, he knew Judas was to betray him did he do anything about it?
    We do not pray properly, therefore God will condem us and send us to hell!:rolleyes:
    Remember you read this from the Bible, so this is an example to christians. I do not speak for all Christians though, but do you think i only do things only for my own will? Well your wrong because i don't. Also I'm not here to create arguments but don't discredit other people's beliefs to justify your own, what else are you doing? I respect you though, as we may be of different religions but we both follow the same God (or so i think?).
     
  14. BlaznFattyz

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    if there is no need for interpretation because the quran says exactly what it means to say, then for any muslim to say "gabriel" when surahs say "holy spirit" is stretching scripture, or what say you?

    2:87"And We gave to Moses the Book, and after him send succeeding Messengers; and We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear signs, and confirmed him with the Holy Spirit; and whensoever there came to you a Messenger with that your souls had not desire for, did you become arrogant, and some cry lies to, and some slay?"

    2:253 "Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah spake, while some of them He exalted (above others) in degree; and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty) and We supported him with the holy Spirit. And if Allah had so wiled it, those who followed after them would not have fought one with another after the clear proofs had come unto them. But they differed, some of them believing and some disbelieving. And if Allah had so willed it, they would not have fought one with another; but Allah doeth what He will."

    110. Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

    16:102 "Say: The holy Spirit hath delivered it from thy Lord with truth, that it may confirm (the faith of) those who believe, and as guidance and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah)."
     
  15. Light

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    Good that you know. Never in my previous post did I ever thought of pushing our doctorine to you. You're in the Islam forum and this is the place where non-Muslim ask Muslims about our faith. We don't have to defend our believe to you. If you ask we answer in the proper manner. Not like the way you did, simply professing your believe here. Hang on - if you want to do that, you can always do that in the Christian Forum.

    Let me quote what you've written that lead to why I have to remind you...

    If you feel the need to defend your faith as you do above, you can always set up a topic in the Christian forum. Like we did when someone post in the Christian Forum that they don't believe Muhammad (peace be upon him) is a prophet just because he is rich. Thus a topic was opened in Islam Forum to discuss this. See http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/islam/muhammad-peace-be-upon-him-rich-4969.html

    We would expect the same respect from you.

    Good that you clarify. Thus, if it is likeness by his views and his teachings, then Jesus is just a prophet like all Prophets who are doing the same. All prophets from Adam (pbuh) to Muhammad (pbuh) have likeness by HIS views and HIS teachings.

    Read your earlier post.
    If that is not what you mean, please explain.

    So, there is a difference for people before and after Jesus. OK, let's take what you say for now.
    Being the largest religion, doesn't mean it is the right one. Same for Islam. However, Islam doesn't force people to accept its teaching. Rather it challenge you to think and search the truth. By looking through Allah's creation. I don't say that Christianity does any different, however, for a start the concept of Trinity was very hard to grasps. When I asked different domination, they have different explanation and not one have a uniform explanation of the concept. Islam is simple. The is one God you have to worship. If you are in difficulty, HE is the one you asked for help. If you are in happiness, HE is the one you praised.

    When you asked yourself, and yourself says - who is that really who gives you the answer? Holy spirit, God, Satan? Even for Muslims, we do a lot of reflection on ourself, we perform prayers and meditate by repeating Allah attributes. Even then, we always consult fellow Muslims when in doubt. This is because we know that Satan are always around and does not reserve any effort to lead us astray.

    For a start, Muslim perfectly understood God. HE creates this world and the whole universe. Muslims aren't ignorant of this fact as it is a part of their article of faith. There is even a story of Moses who is very inquisitive. One day Moses asked God if God ever sleep. God then asked Moses to hold an object on both hand. After a while, Moses fell asleep and dropped the object he is holding. When he awoke, God then told him that if God does sleep, the whole universe will be wiped off in a winked of an eye like Moses dropping the object he is holding. The example I quote is to explain to you that God is different from us. HE is unique, doesn't need sleep nor feel tired. All this attributes are created by HIM. HE don't have the necessity like we do. HE created us, human and Jinns purely to worship HIM.

    Back to the topic, it is God's wisdom that HE sents prophets to the people. Muslims don't believe that God does not go up and down from his Kingdom, HE is Omnipresent. Present everywhere! Face it this way, even if God do show HIMself here on earth, there will still be some of us who will not follow HIS teaching. In fact there is one narration where in Judgement Day, the non-believers request from God to give them another life on earth to set things right and worship HIM earnestly.

    Right, I have no doubt that God send representatives (prophets) to the people, but HE made no distinction between them. Muslims are taught to do the same and to believe in all the prophets. Therefore, Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet like Adam (pbuh), Idris (pbuh), Nuh (pbuh), Hud (pbuh), Saleh (pbuh), Ibrahim (pbuh), Ismail (pbuh), Lut (pbuh), Ishak (pbuh), Yacob (pbuh), Yusuf (pbuh), Ayyub (pbuh), Shuaib (pbuh), Musa (pbuh), Harun (pbuh), Zulkifli (pbuh), Daud (pbuh), Sulaiman (pbuh), Ilyas (pbuh), Ilyasaa (pbuh), Yunus (pbuh), Zakaria (pbuh), Yahya (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh). So what are their duty then? To spread the concept of Tawhid - believe in One and only God and HE has no association.

    Well, I don't expect you to. Islam does not force people in accepting the faith. The famous verse which says - 'There is no compulsion in religion' is enough for you to take heed.

    The fact being, he didn't escape and prior to that he commanded his disciple to carry swords. Why do he need them to carry swords if it is not for defence? OK, lets say he did not want to be interrupted in his prayer. So, what exactly is he praying for, especially like you said he knew Judas was to betray him.

    We - as in you? Isn't that a fearful thought, bearing that we only have 60 - 80 earth life years to prepare for it. Hmm... at least we know that our prayers are similar to the way Jesus (pbuh) did. Thus, based on your statement, God will not condem us to hell! Praise be to Allah, the owner of the day of judgement. Thanks for pointing that out Azur24.

    Oh, I see.. my apology because I thought the Bible is for the whole humanity. Thus, forgive me because I didn't know that it is an example for christians only. We are worshipping the same God. The same God that Adam (pbuh), Moses(pbuh), Isa(pbuh), Muhammad(pbuh) worship. The difference is small, THEOLOGY.

    On the contrary, Islam is for the whole humanity. Especially for those who wants to think and find the truth. In it contains challenges, facts and teaching that guide human to the right path according to Allah's command. Thus, you're more than welcome to read Quran and dispel all of it while reading. See if it does not make sense. I know some people claimed certain statement in the Quran as absurd and doesn't hold the argument. That will be a different discussion, but what I can say is something that we have not discovered now and was mentioned in the Quran does not prove anything. It does not mean that the Quran is false and have errors. Many times do people make such statement but was later discredited when new discoveries disprove their claims and concur with the Quran.
     
  16. Azure24

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    Before i go on typing, i'll remind you again i'm not here to start an argument. Just finding the differences of the Religion. (i visit Judaism as well for example).
    Defend? I am not defending anything. Just telling you what i think.;)
    I already have (not with comments decrediting others faiths though).
    If thats why some Christians don't believe in the prophet Muhammad, doesn't mean thats why i do (and all Christians).
    I'm sorry! Was i disrespecting you by just explaining to you about Christianity? As far as i'm concered you're the one thats disrespectful. Quote me if you can, but never once have i quoted or tried to find any or minor corruption in the Qu'ran or the Islamic religion. I can list more than once that you have for Christianity though. (Jesus' "defence"? For example)


    Yes he is prophet but not just a prophet. I no Muslims also belive Jesus is not dead. But (and this is a question) why do you think his life is being preserved?
    Your beginning to understand. But not as you think, answer something for me. Why do Muslims believe God (or Allah) sent Jesus to earth. I know your going to answer similar to something like 'to speak God's word. But all prophets have some significance, Moses (Ten commandments), Muhammad (whom Muslims belive the Qua'ran) and Jesus'?
    This was my response to one of your questions and who said that because its one of the largest its the right one? Unless your trying to put words in my mouth.
    Are you trying to created an argument? Well its not working.
    Whats your point? I told you i don't (and can't) speak for all Christains.
    And your saying Christains have more than one God?
    Really who'd of thought?:rolleyes:
    (no sarcasism intended)But when i said myself i meant....Me.
    I know you meant understand instead of "understood". But yet again your putting words into my mouth, either that or you misunderstood me. When i said ignorant people i didn't mean muslims! I meant people who did not take into the word of God. You are a bit cynical to have thought this.
    Right! But i meant physically.
    Okay.
    Dejavu! We've been here before haven't we? Look back in my post if you don't belive me.
    Swords? I don't know what Bible yo have read but i don't remember any swords. I haven't read that part of the Bible in along time and i don't have it with me either, so can any other Christian reading this or (Light) of course quote this.
    You have read this part of the Bible haven't you? Then you should know. He is the Son of God but he is still human. He was praying to God about his fear of the crucifixion.
    Fearful? No. What i was trying to say is that is someone really going to suffer for eternity for not praying properly for lets say(60-80 years). Thats a little harsh isn't it, and if you think this is true imagine the other 'minor' mistakes other make in the life.
    Tell me you knew i was being sarcastic? Because i thought you were by saying this.
    Only? Where did i say only? What i meant was that you were implying Christians didn't do something which was mentioned in the Bible (about doing God's will am i correct?). Which was mentioned in the Bible which Christians read.
    Then isn't that enough?
    So is Christianity.
    No. I'm not like you.:p
     
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    Salaam,
    Lets not turn this into a Christianity vs. Islam debate, otherwise ill just move the thread to the Comparative Religion forum. And no one say that he isnt doing it cause its happening.
    Azure, you are in the Islam board, so there are certain rules you have to adhere to. Please read the CoC if you have doubts. No sarcasm.
    There is a difference between discussion and debate. Lets try to make this a discussion.
    regrads,
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  18. Azure24

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    No problem. As i mentioned earlier i was just finding out the differences, i guess this was getting out of hand. So i make an official apology (even though i feel i've done nothing wrong:mad: ). So i apologize to Light for any offence or indeed anyone else who was offended. Even though we are of different religions, both teach to respect others, so for this i am sorry. Personally i feel even if historical facts for some religions (no religions in particular) are wrong they all (well most) practically send out the same message.
     
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    Oh and one more thing (since i can't let this one go). Never once in this thread have i offended Islam (other than Light, which i have already apologized for). But i can say Light has offended Christianity (i also expect an apology). I have heard constantly that this is the Islam board. Though this is true, this does not justify to offend other religions (as they can read it). I've said all that i have to say, thank you and goodbye (i will no longer post here again).
     
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    I was in the midst of preparing a response for Azur24 when there are future conversation in the forum. :)

    Anyway as Azur24 demanded, I apologise if I have offended him in my post ;). Azur24, you're welcome here as long as you observe the rules of this forum. :D

    There are still some questions that Azur24 have left in his previous post that I think it is worth replying. Here they are (some text have been deleted due ot the turn of event) ...

    AS you have mentioned before, I too can't answer for the actions of the rest of Muslims in this forum, but we have a common objective here, ie. to answer question about our faith in the best of our knowledge.

    Praise to Allah for your thoughtfulness. However, there are still some of your fellow Christian who do discredit other faith though.

    Alhamdulillah (praise to Allah), just a matter of curiosity, what is your reason for not believing that Muhammad is not a prophet, or, my apology, do you believe Muhammad to be a prophet in the first place?

    Hmm... this can go on and on. Alright, if you think my previous post have disrespecting you in one way or another, accept my apology. However, as Islam has taught me, I aught to know what have I done to disrespect you, so that I can repent and avoid it in future? So, please enlighten me.

    There is great wisdom in Allah. We cannot even grasp his knowledge in our limited minds. Jesus life is preserved by GOD's will. There is several reason for this, to my opinion, other Muslims may have more authentic reasons base on the Quran and Hadith.

    Why was Jesus preserved:
    1) He will return to break all the crosses and announce that Islam is the true religion
    2) He will return to kill Dajjal who will destroy the world. For Dajjal, his heaven is actually Hell and vice versa. Thus, many people will fall into his fitnah (lies).
    3) This is to prove to mankind that Allah is capable of anything. He can extends live of one person as he will. Other example of persons who have their live extended:- Pharoah, Iblis (Satan), the seven people who slept for 300 years in a cave.
    4) Again, this also prove that Allah is capable of creating a being outside the norm as you can see of Adam, Eve and also Jesus. Adam - no father, no mother; Eve - no mother; Jesus - no father.


    Well, you have grasp the main purpose of all the prophets that was sent to Earth. Yes, they are sent to teach the people the way back to God. Or, shall I say the way to salvation. That is to believe that there is no Gods but Allah. It is true that all prophets are equipped with different books and ability. As you rightly said, Moses (Ten commandment), Islam (Quran), Jesus (Bible). Each is sent down in their native language. And each prophet have different miracles, such as Moses (he splits the sea to make a pathway for his people), Jesus (make a bird alive,cure blindness), Muhammad (bring a baby girl back to life, split the moon). These are all miracles that God gave to them so as to prove that they are spreading the true word of God. We were taught of all this miracles from the Quran and Hadith. However the basic is we revered all of them with the same respect as a prophet of God should be respected. In the Quran there are many examples of how the prophets invoked Allah for assistance. These dua (supplication) are useful for us today as it is then. Thus, when we are undergoing a very difficult trial that Allah has sent due to our ignorance, we can follow the dua of Prophet Yunus (pbuh) that he used to recite while he is in the belly of a whale. What I am trying to say is, each prophets have gone through different experience in their life. Allah have mentioned several of them as example for us. These are examples that we can then use to react to our difficult and happy moments in life.

    It is not an argument. This is the fact. We don't force people to become Muslims. It's your own choice.

    Reason its there to reinforce that Muslims don't force people to become Muslims. History have shown. It's your choice.

    It is harsh. And that is the fact. It's not worth hiding this fact. Allah is all forgiving, when a person say the shadah (proclamation of Islam) and perform all HIS commandments, he is guaranteed heaven although he has to detour to hell for the punishment of his wrongdoings for a period. Thus, minor mistakes may have been forgiven by Allah just by the virtue of observing all HIS commandments. Isn't that merciful :rolleyes:...
     

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