This and That

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Hi and Peace to All Here,:)

The title of this thread, “This and That” , may sound strange, something like an email to your family that has so much in it you don’t know quite what to call it. Hopefully, however, it will fit well here.

Perhaps I should have named it “Patterns”.

I am going to start out here with a hypothetical situation. Let’s imagine (and surely it won’t be difficult for many here) that one (say myself or any of you) has gone out into the world—maybe a conventional Christian church setting—and has discovered the Love of the Lord. Let’s say that we have been so happy, so glad, so Spirit-filled that we could not wait to learn more about Him and serve Him (for those of you who do not know me well, please understand that I do not insist on others using the term “Him”—just a personal preference, one of which is convenience).

Let us call the experience “THIS”.

Then, someone that you thought you were sharing “THIS” with—maybe even someone who told you about THIS--disappoints you, and tells you that you don’t belong, and you can’t be a part of it, and sends you packing.

You are hurt. You reconsider THIS. Maybe it is no good.

But later—maybe years later—you realize that THIS is still good and valid. It is just the people who told you about THIS that aren’t perfect.

Anyway, later, after you have discovered that THIS is good, and it is okay to talk about it in the way you understand, and you have also discovered others who can talk about THIS together with you, someone comes along and talks about THIS in a way that reminds you of the first way you heard about it, and then all the heartache you experienced before comes back.

Is it then “THAT”? Or is it still “THIS”? Do we send THEM packing like THEY did to US?

I am thinking of the people who moved from one continent to another in world history, looking for religious freedom. (Yes, I know not everyone cared about that, but some did). Then, I am remembering how, in many cases, the first thing they did was take it away from others, some of whom traveled with them for the same reason.

These people were not even allowed to ask a question.

Well, I just thought I would throw this out here and see what y’all thought?

InPeace,
InLove
 
If I've got my history straight, then this is exactly what the Puritans did. They fled persecution in England and established a settlement in the easter US. But they denied religious freedom to the Indians and some others who did not believe as they did. I have always felt they were very unethical and most definitely did not keep the Golden Rule. Bottom line: They treated others exactly the way they had been treated in England. I'm not sure where you want to go with this or exactly what your question is.
 
In Love,

Those persons do not have the power to change anything; I think you already know that inherently. What is dear to you, what has meaning for you is and always has been yours untill you decide otherwise.
I think what we have here is what Abogado might refer to as a "Hobsons Choice" In other words, it might be time to practice forgiveness and put an end to these people renting space in your head.

Ghandi once said that: " I will not allow people to walk through my mind with their dirty feet"

Peace dear one,
Mark
 
InLove:

How true your post is to the reality of religious movements.

Yes, Ruby, the Puritans did just this. They were excluded, and so what did they do when they felt that they had obtained their right to practice religion in their way ? They excluded others from their community that they "judged" to miss their standards. As a result Roger Williams went on to found Rhode Island (if I remember my history correctly) seeking religious freedom for his followers. But then Newport went on to be a hub in the transatlantic slave trade I believe.

You could see this as a sort of natural outcome of following evolutionary principles and not love, but it's really not that simple. We see this all around us still today, even though the "judgers" are much better at concealing their exclusion activities until it happens. Racism would also be an aspect of this process, although these days it's concealed with "coded" activities such as "immigration reform".

"This" activity is called "Hypocrisy" these days. And "that's" the truth that I see everywhere where tolerance is professed but not practiced. But unfortunately it is human nature to do these things, IMHO.

flow....:(
 
Hey Everyone--Peace:)

Thanks for the great responses, everyone. It is good to know that the heart and the mind really can work together in spirit.

There was a sort of inquiry about my post:

RubySera_Martin said:
If I've got my history straight, then this is exactly what the Puritans did. They fled persecution in England and established a settlement in the easter US. But they denied religious freedom to the Indians and some others who did not believe as they did. I have always felt they were very unethical and most definitely did not keep the Golden Rule. Bottom line: They treated others exactly the way they had been treated in England. I'm not sure where you want to go with this or exactly what your question is.

Ruby, I really didn't have a question--just wanted to gather in thoughts from others. I guess I went pretty much where I wanted to go with "THIS";). I think that your "bottom line" observation is important.

InPeace,
InLove
 
I think THIS happens pretty much with everything.

One group is upset that they can't be a member of some club, because this club has private membership rules, dealing with societal issues, monetary, family status or heaven forbid, race, creed, religion or gender.

Then those that were once not allowed in are....and they gladly close the doors behind them...making new rules...

Or those that weren't allowed in create their own club and immediately keep those not in accord with their ways out...

And this is repeated over and over...even today. Even with the 'sacred cows'...

Black Congressional Caucus, Curves (female only gyms)...and somehow there what were before excuses for exclusiveness have now become valid reasons..

Tis upto us to rise above it and not put up with it in our lives.
 
InLove said:
Then, someone that you thought you were sharing “THIS” with—maybe even someone who told you about THIS--disappoints you, and tells you that you don’t belong, and you can’t be a part of it, and sends you packing.

You are hurt. You reconsider THIS. Maybe it is no good.

But later—maybe years later—you realize that THIS is still good and valid. It is just the people who told you about THIS that aren’t perfect.

Anyway, later, after you have discovered that THIS is good, and it is okay to talk about it in the way you understand, and you have also discovered others who can talk about THIS together with you, someone comes along and talks about THIS in a way that reminds you of the first way you heard about it, and then all the heartache you experienced before comes back.


That's the problem with THIS. Most people who hold to it have the same kind of behaviour.
 
Hi Blue Jay--

Have we met? If not, let me say Welcome to CR:).

InPeace,
InLove
 
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