witout god why would our soldiers fight?

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that one is quite interesting.

dont forget

why would ANY soldiers fight, not just the christian ones.



i still thik religion helps society control

and society has developed a mind just like the peoples ideas that formed it


and guess
what

its obvious that societies want to be the best!

just look at history, expansion, and imperialism and wars!

god is indeed mysterious
 
excuse me?

how does survival make me want to go fight for an idea such as society?

if arabs were not crazy freaking muslims, i bet we wouldnt have to worry about them hurting us.


"i dont beleive you, you need more people" - jay-z
 
man is given to rebellion and violence and greed. without god there is no resistance to it. but when rebellion and violence and greed rears its head, the reaction to it is survival.
 
shadowman said:
excuse me?...if arabs were not crazy freaking muslims, i bet we wouldnt have to worry about them hurting us....
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Namaste Shadowman,

I'm sure you mean this in the most Christian, most loving way. All those living on the Arabian Penninsula are not Muslm, and all Muslims are not Arab. And while the crazy freakiing types of ALL religions make headlines, the majority are not.

Contemplate what love thy neigbor means. Contemplate that Allah is simply Arabic for G-d, the same G-d a Christian would worship, just a name in a different language.

I really have very little tolerance for intolerance. Am quite judgmental about racism and generalizations. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explore my issues.
 
i was being facetious

im not christian

i follow christ as i sight him

i do not make god out of him any more than i make god out of myself.



and i think muslims are as crazy as christians. the less crazy ones just dont get it. just like the cristians over here,

moderates dont get it
 
shadowman said:
i was being facetious

im not christian

i follow christ as i sight him

i do not make god out of him any more than i make god out of myself.



and i think muslims are as crazy as christians. the less crazy ones just dont get it. just like the cristians over here,

moderates dont get it
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:rolleyes:
We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 
i like you're quote, and i bet you are sexy, but why do you roll your eyes at me, dauhter of consciousness?
 
Dor said:
Quite easily and plainly and let the stones fly.

Allah is not the God of Abraham.
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Why not? Now surely you wouldn't use any examples by people that interpret the Koran for violent reasons any more than you'd use KKK understandings of biblical scripture...

Ciel said:
How many confuse God or religion with personal ego ?

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I think it happens often.
 
wil said:
Why not? Now surely you wouldn't use any examples by people that interpret the Koran for violent reasons any more than you'd use KKK understandings of biblical scripture...
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No really I do not put any weight in the followers.
Just the simple fact that the Allah in the Koran is not the same God in the Bible.
 
Dor said:
No really I do not put any weight in the followers.
Just the simple fact that the Allah in the Koran is not the same God in the Bible.
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So there is another G-d? I am so confused, I thought there was only one! What does Allah say that makes us so certain he's different? (After all G-d did and said in the old testament hard to believe anyone would have issues...)
 
wil said:
So there is another G-d? I am so confused, I thought there was only one! What does Allah say that makes us so certain he's different? (After all G-d did and said in the old testament hard to believe anyone would have issues...)
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whatever Wil. Should have known you can not have a conversation with the "tolerant" liberal "christians".
 
shadowman said:
that one is quite interesting.

dont forget

why would ANY soldiers fight, not just the christian ones.



i still thik religion helps society control

and society has developed a mind just like the peoples ideas that formed it


and guess
what

its obvious that societies want to be the best!

just look at history, expansion, and imperialism and wars!

god is indeed mysterious
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Soldiers are not acting under god... This is obvious. Soldiers are there as a "public service" That are only reconised, acknowledge, praised or whatever in times of need. They are there as the pawns of nations and political powers. They have many tasks, they do not only go to war and fight. They are also used in many countries like the police. They guard, they patrol, they assist with medical and fire emergencies.

but on the subject of battle, a soldier fights so his people can see freedom, so his family can be safe from terror... Ever been on a battlefield Shadowman? If so, do soldiers seem to be carrying out the work of god? If you haven't been on a battlefield, the experience would be eye opening... Give it a try sometime. ;)

In regard to history soldiers roles were way different, as you say to expand nations and empires and to gain world control and that was really all they were used for... We have gained more jobs since then.... They were also used as a symbol of power for a leader.... like assests...
 
17th Angel said:
a soldier fights so his people can see freedom, so his family can be safe from terror...
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Like the preachers before a football game, both are saying prayers for their team to win, as if G-d takes sides.

In a trip to Philadelphia and Independence Hall and all of the other sites it became painfully apparent that a terrorist is identified as the guy on the other side, and the freedom fighter is the guy on our side. The guys on our sides are deemed soldiers with honor, and those on the other side always in the wrong.

Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison et al were terrorists, conspirators, traitors in the eyes of the English...their tactics of guerilla warfare, night attacks and such were apalling in the days of formal lines of war.

Both sides believe they are protecting their land and their people, and often warping whatever scriptures they can to rally the emotions of the troops and the citizenry to support the effort in lives and wealth.
 
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