Can Muslims be friends with Jews and Christians?

Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions' started by Muslimah, Nov 24, 2006.

  1. dauer

    dauer Well-Known Member

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    Not that I agree with faithful servant (I don't), but I saw something a couple years ago about a complex that much of Germany has developed due to all of the education regarding the Holocaust. I was very saddened to hear about it, but I suppose when your grandparents and greatgrandparents were part of something like that, and there is much education about it, there's little one can do to escape some mental anguish. Maybe that is what is meant by the verse: "keeping mercy unto the thousandth generation, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and unto the fourth generation."

    Perhaps the iniquity visited upon the children and children's children, is the guilt and grief and pain caused by the actions of direct ancestors, while the good of more ancient ancestors, the mercy for a thousand generations, are things that persevere, that we remember and make holidays for so that we might also do good. The pain fades in a few generations, if we let it, but we can still remember the heroes of old.

    Dauer
     
  2. Faithfulservant

    Faithfulservant Well-Known Member

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    Im not getting into this here with you..not only would it derail the thread but it is also insulting to go over it again and again.. if you like you can visit one of the MANY of this topic in Christianity....

    So maybe this is my answer... can muslims and christians be friends..... You think my Savior is just a prophet and not God and I think your prophet is a false prophet and just a man ruled by satan who is the king of this world...

    Your belief in my faith is disrespectful and my belief in your faith is disrespectful.. we can agree on that..

    Jesus is the most important thing in my life and its not negotiable... If its possible to be a shallow friend that has no spiritual depth than yes.. according to the bible I am a spiritual being housed in a body of flesh.. I am not my flesh.. so it would be possible to be fleshly friends with a non-believer.. but as I find out through living life.. I crave fellowship with believers.. I want to be with them I want to surround myself with them.. I need that closeness that familial relationship I have with them...

    I have aquaintance/friends that are non-believers but I would not invite them into the personal parts of my life..

    So there is my answer.
     
  3. Prober

    Prober Give Us This Day...

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    Excellent point. Let's start being merciful now...
     
  4. didymus

    didymus Well-Known Member

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    If I am not mistaken, Jews, Muslims and Christians have enjoyed periods of peacefulcoexistence. Prior to the formation of Israel this was true and I believe there was a period in Spain at one point. It's a shame because while in Spain the three faiths worked together and shared ideas and beliefs that heightened everybody's spiritualality.

    There is also a Jewish group out there Jews aginst Zion, or something like that whom are opposed to the formation of Israel.
     
  5. Abubakar

    Abubakar Abubakar

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    Asallaam Aleykum didymus,

    There have been several periods of peaceful co-existance, Muslim Spain and Saladins Holy Land are two that spring to mind. There was certainly joint scholarship in Spain but more around the collection and translation of Greek, Roman and other ancient texts than comparative Religion.

    I don't neccessarily think that the setting up of the modern state of Israel was a pivotal moment when we all moved from living in harmony to being at each others throats. I don't think it helped but Christian persecution of the Jews has been going on (and off) for centarys in Europe.

    There is some groups of Orthodox Jews who oppose the present State of Israel and many other Orthodox Jews who whilst not actively opposing the current state don't approve of it.

    These are some such (opposing groups) groups :
    Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism
    True Torah Jews Against Zionism
    Jews Not Zionists

    I have met a couple of guys from Jews against Zionism and found them to be good people, interesting but very intense. I have an Orthodox friend and we is not actively opposed but doesn't approve yet he has family there, so a perfect example of 'one Jew three opinions' (sorry for the poor plagarism, and the third rate humour)!

    Peace
     
  6. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I'd say you're a dreamer..
     
  7. pfw

    pfw interested

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    Why are people quoting 'Imagine' by John Lennon? It's an athiest anthem isn't it?
     
  8. zeras

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    yes, muslims can be friends with people of all faiths.
    But, we do not pray with other gods, and they shall not pray to ours says in the Quran. But, yes of course you be friends with others. People have many missconceptions of Islam, and other faiths, reason they have little knowledge or none at all.
     
  9. InLove

    InLove at peace

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    lol--imagine that. :)

    Seriously--I think it depends on how one interprets the lyrics. Personally, I find a big element of hope therein.

    And welcome to CR, zeras--I know for certain that it is possible on a person-to-person basis. Now if we can just increase the scope a bit...

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  10. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    as salaam aleykum

    Zeras I agree with you completely and until people begin to discuss (without all the we're right and you are wrong stuff) we will never rid ourselves of these misconceptions.


    Thankyou Muslimah for your original post - a simply wonderful post.

    Salaam
     
  11. Morr

    Morr Daughter of Ireland

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    I have many Christian friends. That is all good. Most of them are very liberal and open minded as it is.

    The problem, for me, with Muslims is not the fact that I am Pagan by beliefs, or Jewish by ancestry/active in the local Jewish community here. It is the fact that I am Israeli. That I was raised in Israel, that I am a proud Israeli citizen and that I have served in the IDF.

    That is where a lot of Muslims, from my own personal experience, shy away from me. And honestly, I keep a very low profile in certain places when it comes to my Israeli origin. Even living in the US, I'd rather not flaunt it or advertise it.

    The political situation out in the Middle East is just too complicated.
     
  12. MindFreak666

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    everyone can be friends with everyone. who couldn't use more friends?
     
  13. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    Hi Morr

    No shying away here. I can understand why you keep it quiet, I was in the British army and many of my friends back home in England are Irish (both Catholic and Protestant) and it is easier just not to mention it.

    I could never agree with what the Israeli government are doing to the Arabs now but that is for human reasons and not religious ones, as I feel it is a political issue and I take each person as they come. You are right the Mid East situation is way too complicated and I pray for but don't expect to see an early resolution.

    Salaam
     
  14. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Muhammad (PBUH) Once said..... Do you love your creator? Love your fellow beings first....... ;)


    maca salāma
     
  15. Saltmeister

    Saltmeister The Dangerous Dinner

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    It would be a humbling experience if I, at some time in the future, needed help from a Muslim for a life-and-death matter . . . and so I am thinking . . . better to be friends than enemies.:eek: I don't want to be ungrateful. I want to be ready.:D
     
  16. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    masha'Allah

    Need a kidney Salty? I have a spare but I am only allowed to give you it if it is life and death but if it is you are welcome to it.
     
  17. Saltmeister

    Saltmeister The Dangerous Dinner

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    Just as well I've been drinking enough water. Gotta watch the sugar intake though. Both kidneys are ok. But . . . maybe ten years down the track . . . you never know what happens. Life falls apart. I could get diabetes. Heart attack. Cancer. Gotta keep away from grilled foods and carcinogens.

    Imagine, after ten years of thinking someone was going to hell . . . that the good Samaritan came over and gave a hand?

    Isn't that the moral of the story, not that you help your enemies, but that . . . one day, your enemies might come and help you? So you better watch out . . . You better not cry . . . Santa knows you've been bad.

    Ok, I'm not saying you shouldn't love your enemies, but that . . . you never know. It might just be the other way round. Never be too sure of one's own morality.:D

    While we all think that the Jews shouldn't mix with anyone but Jews, and Samaritans should keep away from the Jews and stick around only with Samaritans . . .

    Christians with Christians, Muslims with Muslims . . .

    . . . aren't we preventing the inevitable?:D
     
  18. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Al'afw.
     
  19. Dondi

    Dondi Well-Known Member

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    Kinda reminenscent of the Good Samaritan, huh? Who is your neighbor?
     
  20. Saltmeister

    Saltmeister The Dangerous Dinner

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    Yeah. Two posts down from the one you quoted, and two posts up from this one. That's why . . . we gotta watch what we say. You never know . . . you may have just insulted a future friend!!!:D Future friend nonetheless . . . They would have helped you despite what you said or did, but don't you think you might have been wrong about him/her?

    Out of the blue . . . a Jehovah's Witness starts donating blood . . . :eek:
     

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