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i think she's probably talking to me, mate.

Marietta said:
There is a difference in true discussion and someone simply trying to belittle what they don’t understand.
and that's not what i'm doing. i've pointed out some things about hebrew that you clearly don't understand. i've pointed out some things about kabbalah that you clearly don't understand. i've identified several objections to your version of historical events, none of which you have answered - again.

My purpose is to have a dialogue with someone who is truly interested in the phenomena of Indigo Children with some working knowledge to share.
but in the course of this you've made some claims that are absolutely extraordinary, such as this thing about the hebrew language, letters and the inquisition. other people are pulling you up on the scientific terminology you are using around "extra DNA" and telling you you're talking nonsense on this - and you're ignoring all of these challenges. my point is that we're not "belittling" something we don't "know or understand". we understand these things only too well, rather better than you it would appear. and we don't accept your way of interpretation, your methodology or your way of pulling it together. the word we are looking at here is "specious". i do not accept the kabbalistic or historical validity of your conclusions as they affect these fields and it seems abundantly clear that others who are better equipped than i to understand the relevant points do not accept the validity of your scientific conclusions. i think what we are probably saying is "back up what you're saying, or admit you've got nothing other than your own feeling that this is all true".

If I were to enter the Jewish section, making anti Semitic statements and undermining what you are sharing in that section I would be asked to leave.
that's not what you're doing. you are making highly questionable statements (nobody's calling anyone anti-semitic) and then complaining when people are asking you to substantiate them.

If you have a valid point, than make it and we can have a meaningful exchange.
we've already asked you plenty of times:

1. what are these 6 letters you are talking about?
2. what are these rules of the hebrew language you are talking about?
3. how did the inquisition "change" texts which pre-date the council of nicea, or affect the language, behaviour and practice of jews outside the christian world?
4. has your group's "scientific" work been peer-reviewed in research publications and journals?
5. do you understand the difference between physics and metaphysics?
6. who are the "mainstream" scientists who support your beliefs and which institutions do they work for?
7. where in the mishnah does it talk about the rules for interpreting hebrew grammar as opposed to interpreting terminology for the purposes of halakhah?
8. where are the examples of physics in your "crude translation"?

even one of these points would be a fairly major objection. putting them all together, i would venture to suggest that your case simply doesn't stack up. if you can't address them then you are simply wasting everyone's time. and if you find that "offensive", then i apologise for bursting your bubble, but the moderators are well aware of this thread and there's nothing going on here that is being considered as in breach of the CoC. a decent belief system needs to be able to stand up to a challenge and i am afraid that yours appears to be about as robust as wet tissue paper. perhaps you should go and ask your teacher these very same questions.



she suggested that someone is your alt.

My response to the last comment is that this person (possibly you using a different name) is only in here as back up for you. This person has not added anything of benefit as far as discussion to this thread, so what is his/her agenda? Why is it that this thread has laid dormant for months and all of a sudden when someone shows interest, you and your gang are in here bashing this thread?
Maybe she means me. Which makes me have a good chuckle, if that is who she is referring to. ;)

If you are referring to me, if you look at my other posts, you will find that I in no way could possibly be BB's alter-ego. We have completely different religions, genders, and locations. I can't really even imagine myself as a man and a Jew, but I suppose it's an interesting thought experiment! :D

Now, in terms of my posts-

You have never responded to my original questions about scientific assertions without scientific evidence. You have never responded about how people can have extra strands of DNA without serious biological problems (if you know anything about human genetics, which I do, you'll know how serious an assertion this is). In short, I read over the websites but found absolutely nothing compelling as a scientist, but rather a whole lot of stuff pulled from various religious and mystery traditions and slapped together.

Please understand- we've discussed Indigo children before on this forum and you can see many people's views on the matter in that thread. I, myself, would be considered an Indigo based on most "tests" out there. What most of the people who write those tests and so forth seem to lack is any understanding of human diversity, brain function, and biology. People have exhibited "Indigo" traits well, for all of human history. It's nothing new. I can discuss at more length if you would like.

Now, if Indigo children or anyone, for that matter, want to believe they are alien souls, wolf souls, elf souls, or what have you somehow born here in a human body- OK. Might be a fantastic claim to many, but everyone is entitled to their own belief system and most belief systems are a little nutty when you really ponder them from the standpoint of logic.

However, if someone claims scientific basis for non-human or mutated human beings living biologically on earth... I want to see proof. Otherwise, it is a misuse of science and a dangerous belief, since nearly all times that people believed some others were non-human, it resulted in human rights violations.

Furthermore, one serious flaw in all this is internal inconsistency among Indigo children (and those that test as Indigos) themselves. Some obviously go with this complex and pseudo-scientific framework. Some think it's all hogwash. Some think they are reincarnated other-worldly souls (i.e., if you never have, check out the otherkin forums online). Much of the literature says this is some sort of recent phenomena of people being born with these types of personalities. But the data does not support that- there have always been shamanic/mystic personalities that would test positively as Indigos, going back to pre-historic times. We just don't have a job description and solid place for those folks in modern Western society. And furthermore, many otherkin have noted they are classified as Indigos, and find it an entirely useless category (beyond equating it with otherkin) to describe the plethora of places and times that they say they came from (and claim to remember in detail). Some elf groups, for example, claim they've been incarnating on earth in human bodies for at least 500 years- so how to reconcile this with other Indigos claiming it's only happening since the 1970s?

In short, it's all in the realm of belief, and so you're going to have these inconsistencies. If it was really scientific, then (1) something like DNA mutations on that scale would be all over the peer-reviewed journals and (2) there would be agreement of some sort.

I have posted on-topic, relevant posts. We do not post here on CR just to have people agree with us. I'm challenging because I think there are relevant points here- there are serious issues with abusing science in this way. I am willing to bet few people in the group have studied human physiology, genetics, and so forth at any higher level, and this contributes to assumptions of extremely illogical and unsupported claims. What I want to know is where the information is coming from. If it isn't from actual scientific evidence, science should not be claimed as the root. If someone is channeling whoever to get the information, that should be clear. Science and religion follow different modes of inquiry...
Path of one, You are intitled to your "OPENIONS" but that does not negate the fact that there are children that are being born with more than one strand of DNA (not including the 'so called' junk DNA). These children are gifted with outstanding abilities.
As I have already stated, I know of many (one local) universities that have had panels of midical doctorss and Geneticists along with other groups that discussed the findings of these children. Good Morning America did a segment on them three years ago. Its a topic fairly well known but it hasn't been studied long enough to make major publication. AS you know the Scientific field is very cautious and takes its time with its findings.
The DNA isn't "EXTRA" it is merely portions of what has been labeled junk DNA that is active. The same strands exist that carry the memory of the bodily structure, however there is more to the Human makeup than the body structure.
What test are you talking about? There isn't a test to determain an Indigo other than a DNA test and an Indigo would never allow someone to take their DNA unless it is a child who's DNA is taken against its will.
If I haven't provided you with an answer it is simply because I don't know the answser or overlooked the question.
What do you mean by alian souls?
Indigo's are not new to this planet they are very ancient to this planet, however in the past thirty years they started birthing in, in large numbers.
What is you field of Science?
Love and Light, Marietta
Path of one, You are intitled to your "OPENIONS" but that does not negate the fact that there are children that are being born with more than one strand of DNA (not including the 'so called' junk DNA).

So-called "junk DNA" is interspersed with non-junk DNA. An extra strand of DNA is something like Trisomy 21, which is the cause of Down's Syndrome- three strands of the 21st chromosome. This is the type of results from genetic mutations of that size. In fact, it is one of the few mutations of that size that still produce living offspring.

I am not stating an opinion. I am stating biological fact. My point is that if someone makes scientific claims, they must back it up with science. Science is a particular mode of inquiry. It is not individual opinions.

These children are gifted with outstanding abilities.

I've already read a lot of the literature on Indigo children. As I've indicated, it's not something particularly new. Shamans throughout history did this stuff.

As I have already stated, I know of many (one local) universities that have had panels of midical doctorss and Geneticists along with other groups that discussed the findings of these children.

Provide references, please. Until I have references such medical doctors and geneticists, this is just fluff. Anyone can say they know of anyone who has done anything. If it hasn't been published in scientific peer-reviewed journals, everyone in science knows it is not reliable.

Good Morning America did a segment on them three years ago. Its a topic fairly well known but it hasn't been studied long enough to make major publication.

Good Morning America is not a scientific resource. I know it is a well-known topic. People talking about something doesn't make it any more accurate. People the world over talk about dragons, but we haven't had scientific evidence of them yet, either.

It is not true to say that it hasn't been studied long enough. If the claim is that Indigo children were around since the 1970s, and people started talking about it in the 1980s- that is more than 25 years to today. That is plenty of time for someone to have published something if they actually have any data to report. It only takes a couple years from the end of a study to write an article and publish it. I know. I've done this myself, along with tons of my colleagues. Look at any other area of science and you'll see that this is the case. Any significant findings are published in a relatively short amount of time. If they are not published, they cannot yet claim that they have confirmed scientific evidence. Without valid citations/references, this information is in the realm of speculation, not science.

AS you know the Scientific field is very cautious and takes its time with its findings.

This is precisely why people shouldn't claim to be practicing science if they are making such non-supported claims as extra strands of DNA and feline hominoids. Either someone is practicing science or they aren't, and if they're not going to practice science as science is practiced, they should be honest about it.

The DNA isn't "EXTRA" it is merely portions of what has been labeled junk DNA that is active.

At the top of this very post, you state that the people have "extra strands of DNA." Having activated junk DNA is an entirely different matter. Clarity is important in genetics. I would still be somewhat skeptical of activated junk DNA until it is proven, but that is (at least) not as insupportable and non-viable as a mutation as would be extra chromosomes themselves. You must still realize that in human genetics, very minor mutations can carry very heavy (and costly) biological consequences. This is why there would be skepticism about nearly anything claiming substantial mutations that are producing viable offspring.

The same strands exist that carry the memory of the bodily structure, however there is more to the Human makeup than the body structure.

DNA carries more than the blueprint (not so much the memory) for the body. It also carries information about things such as personality, information processing, and mental illness. This is not new information.

What test are you talking about? There isn't a test to determain an Indigo other than a DNA test and an Indigo would never allow someone to take their DNA unless it is a child who's DNA is taken against its will.

There are personality and psychological tests abounding by all sorts of people who claim they are researching Indigos that people can use to "test" themselves and see if they are. I'm happy to provide links, if you like.

Secondly, if an Indigo will not submit to having a DNA test, then how to validate claims that they are genetically different from ordinary humans? Kind of a catch-22, yes? How did the people from your order come to this conclusion, if they didn't do DNA tests? And if they did do DNA tests, but Indigos won't submit willingly, then what are the ethical and human rights issues associated with this?

If I haven't provided you with an answer it is simply because I don't know the answser or overlooked the question.

Fair enough. These questions regarding the science might be better posed to whoever from your organization claims to be the scientists.

What do you mean by alian souls?

Souls that are reincarnated from planets other than earth. Some people believe they are reincarnated aliens. Some people who claim to do research on and with Indigos claim Indigos are reincarnated aliens. Your org is not the only one out there with a bunch of Indigos who came to some conclusion that is well, to be honest, pretty close to fantasy or science-fiction. This is partly my point- you are one Indigo in one organization that is in disagreement with other Indigos in other organizations. This inconsistency, along with a general lack of any published scientific evidence (though plenty of fluffy books, which also are inconsistent with each other) leads me to the logical conclusion that none of this is well-thought out, robust, proven by any sort of evidence, or even internally organized very well. It would boil down to: "No, I'm the Indigo! Our story is X! No, I'm the Indigo! Our story is Y!" That sort of thing. If all these Indigo children (including me, if you go by an awful lot of the well-published authors on the subject) have such specific and unified goals, come from the same places, and have the same memories... why are there so many differences?

Indigo's are not new to this planet they are very ancient to this planet, however in the past thirty years they started birthing in, in large numbers.

I just don't buy it. For one, it is a statement that can't be proven. To say "now they are birthing in large numbers" indicates a global demographic study that (1) hasn't happened yet and (2) never happened in the past. For all we know, people with characteristics termed presently Indigo existed in greater numbers in the past, but at the time we didn't have the internet to talk to them, the drive for people to feel their child is something special, the absence of normal social roles for shamanic personality types, and so forth. This statement assumes a lot, but it is based on having no evidence whatsoever.

Please understand, I am not trying to degrade a belief system in any way. But I notice inconsistencies where they exist, and fantastic claims require fantastic evidence. What bothers me is not the belief, it is the claim to be grounded in science. If someone claims science as the root, science should be the root, with all its trappings of peer-review, published data, multiple confirmations, and systematic methodology.

What is you field of Science?

My doctorate is in cultural anthropology, with a specialty in cognitive and environmental anthropology. I was more broadly trained in my BA in biological anthropology, linguistics, and archaeology, and minored in religious studies.

Love and Light- back at ya!
Trisomy 21 is a chromosome disorder. Chromosomes are organized structures of DNA and proteins that are found in cells. A chromosome is a single piece of DNA. Trisomy 21 t is DNA that isn't arranged properly, not extra DNA activated.
Here just a little bit about junk DNA that may help understand a little better:
In molecular biology, junk DNA is a provisional label for the portions of the DNA sequence of a chromosome or a genome for which no function has been identified. Scientists expect to find functions for some, but not all, of this provisionally classified collection. About 80-90% of the human genome has been designated as "junk", including most sequences within introns and most intergenic DNA. While much of this sequence may be an evolutionary artifact that serves no present-day purpose, some junk DNA may function in ways that are not currently understood. Moreover, the conservation of some junk DNA over many millions of years of evolution may imply an essential function. Some consider the "junk" label as something of a misnomer, but others consider it appropriate as junk is stored away for possible new uses, rather than thrown out; others prefer the term "nondoding DNA" (although junk DNA often includes transposons that encode proteins with no clear value to their host genome). About 80% of the bases in the human genome may be transcribed, but transcription does not necessarily imply function Broadly, the science of functional genomics has developed widely accepted techniques to characterize protein-coding genes, RNA genes, and regulatory regions, In the genomes of most plants and animals, however, these together constitute only a small percentage of genomic DNA (less than 2% in the case of humans). The function, if any, of the remainder remains under investigation. Most of it can be identified as repetitive elements that have no known biological function for their host (although they are useful to geneticists for analyzing lineage and phylogeny. Still, a large amount of sequence in these genomes falls under no existing classification other than "junk". For example, recent experiments removed 1% of the mouse genome and were unable to detect any effect on the phenotype. This result suggests that the DNA is nonfunctional. However, it remains a possibility that there is some function that the experiments performed on the mice were merely insufficient to detect.
While overall genome size, and by extension the amount of junk DNA, are correlated to organism complexity, it is not a solid rule of thumb. For example, the genome of the unicellular Amoeba dubia has been reported to contain more than 200 times the amount of DNA in humans".
The pufferfish Takifugu rubripes genome is only about one tenth the size of the human genome, yet seems to have a comparable number of genes. Most of the difference appears to lie in what is now known only as junk DNA. This puzzle is known as the C-value enigma or, more conventionally, the C-value paradox.'

Love and Light, Marietta:)
Were you addressing me? When you wrote: I don't know what you are asking me when you stated any chance of you answering them in this transmigration of your soul?

If you were I don't understand what you are asking. Could you rephrase your question.
Love and Light, Marietta
Dear bananabrain, I am going to answer your questions in several different posts because one post will to long. Here goes.
Part One
Dear banabrain, You like to play the bait and switch game and seem very adept at playing the game.
This thread is NOT about Hebrew, Judaism or Kabbalah!!! I simply made a comment regarding your nonsensical remarks, that if you understand the language of Kabbalah and the ideas behind it, you should not have a problem with the Freedom Teachings once you learn the language used. I don’t care to debate Hebrew, Judaism or Kabbalah. Yes I have stated that I was learning science from my very crude translation of the Hebrew but my method of learning is not something I care to share. I haven't written about about my method of learning other than to state that I learned through studyhing Torah through my own method of translation. I am not promoting the Hebrew or my translation of it. It was simply a stepping stone along my learning journey.
Part two
The inquisition is something anyone who wishes to learn more about can find on there own. There is a vast amount of information already provided on it. It is pretty well documented. It sounds like you’re a Jew who likes to play both sides of the game. In an earlier reply you mentioned the Jews being suppressed and now you are trying to act like nobody has ever had the power to do anything to the Jews or their teachings. Which is it?
Are you also going to say that Nero, Hitler and a string of others didn’t persecute the Jews?
During these periods changes were made to the Hebrew.
I’ve been to Israel and sat in the square where a group of young adults of different backgrounds were almost fighting over this issue.
Trisomy 21 is a chromosome disorder. Chromosomes are organized structures of DNA and proteins that are found in cells. A chromosome is a single piece of DNA. Trisomy 21 t is DNA that isn't arranged properly, not extra DNA activated.

A chromosome is actually a long strand of DNA. Trisomy 21 is not "DNA that isn't arranged properly." Trisomy 21 is exactly what it states: tri (three) somy (chromosomes) 21. That is- THREE of the 21st chromosome rather than the usual TWO.

My point was that human offspring rarely are viable under conditions of extra chromosomes. The notable exceptions are Trisomy 21 (which causes Downs Syndrome) and multiple copies of X or Y chromosomes (multiples of X cause mental handicaps and other significant sexual issues, multiple copies of Y have no deleterious effect for the obvious reason that the chromosome only codes for male traits and is a very small amount of genetic material). Generally, when there is a mutation on the order of additional chromosomes (in addition to the usual 23 pairs, including the pair of sex chromosomes)- the offspring usually don't survive.

As for junk DNA, you should cite your source for the material provided. Thanks for providing it, but I am aware. I've had a few years of human physiology, genetics, and evolution in my training. What was the problem is that your discussion of genetics in the original posts said these people had extra strands of DNA, and that is not the same thing as having junk DNA that is proposed to be doing something. What is clear is that no scientific references have been provided for any of these claims so far, so they cannot be said to be scientifically supported.

And BB is referring to his series of questions above, which he is asking you to answer. He enumerated them for clarity.
Persecution of Jews by Roman Pagans
  • : The Roman Army destroyed Jerusalem, killed over 1 million Jews and took about 100,000 into slavery and captivity.
  • : Jews in Cyprus, Cyrene, Egypt and Mesopotamia revolted against the Roman Empire. This caused "the death of several hundreds of thousands of Romans and Jews." Judaism was no longer recognized as a legal religion.
  • : Bar Kochba led a hopeless three-year revolt against the Roman Empire. Many Jews had accepted him as the Messiah. About a half-million Jews were killed; thousands were sold into slavery or taken into captivity. The rest were exiled from Palestine and scattered throughout the known world in what is called the 'Diaspora."
  • 135: Serious Roman persecution of the Jews began. They were forbidden, upon pain of death, from practicing circumcision, reading the Torah, eating unleavened bread at Passover, etc. A temple dedicated to the Roman pagan god Jupiter was erected on temple mountain in Jerusalem. A temple of Venus was built on Golgotha, just outside the city.
200: Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversions to Judaism.
Anti-Judaism: Persecution of Followers of the Jewish Religion:

Initial persecution of Jews was along religious lines. Persecution would cease if the person converted to Christianity.
  • 306: The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews.
  • 315: Constantine published the Edict of Milan which extended religious tolerance to Christians. Jews lost many rights with this edict. They were no longer permitted to live in Jerusalem, or to proselytize. [/font]
  • 325 The Council of Nicea decided to separate the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover. They stated: For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth let us have nothing in common with this odious people...
  • 337: Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.
  • 339: Converting to Judaism became a criminal offense.
  • 367 - 376: St. Hilary of Poitiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. St. Ephroem refers to synagogues as brothels.
  • 379-395: Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of synagogues if it served a religious purpose. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire at this time.
  • 380: The bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue; he referred to it as "an act pleasing to God." ]
  • 415: The Bishop of Alexandria, St. Cyril, expelled the Jews from that Egyptian city.
  • 415: St. Augustine wrote "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus."
  • 418 St. Jerome, who created the Vulgate translation of the Bible wrote of a synagogue: "If you call it a brothel, a den of vice, the Devil's refuge, Satan's fortress, a place to deprave the soul, an abyss of every conceivable disaster or whatever you will, you are still saying less than it deserves."
  • 489 - 519]: Christian mobs destroyed the synagogues in Antioch, Daphne (near Antioch) and Ravenna.
  • 528: Emperor Justinian (527-564) passed the Justinian Code. It prohibited Jews from building synagogues, reading the Bible in Hebrew, assemble in public, celebrate Passover before Easter, and testify against Christians in court.
  • 535: The "Synod of Claremont decreed that Jews could not hold public office or have authority over Christians."
  • 538: The 3rd and 4th Councils of Orleans prohibited Jews from appearing in public during the Easter season. Prohibited marriages between Christians and Jews. Prohibited Christians from converting to Judaism.
  • 561: The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France.
  • 612: Jews were not allowed to own land, to be farmers or enter certain trades.
  • 613: Very serious persecution begain in Spain. Jews were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education
  • 694 The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other Church Fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their responsibility for the execution of Jesus.
  • 722]: Leo III outlawed Judaism. Jews were baptized against their will.
  • 855: Jews were exiled from Italy
  • 1050: The Synod of Narbonneprohibited Christians from living in the homes of Jews.
  • 1078: Pope Gregory VII decreed that Jews could not hold office or be superiors to Christians.
  • 1078: The Synod of Geronaforced Jews to pay church taxes
  • 1096: The First Crusade was launched in this year. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged: Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for 8 additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.
  • 1099: The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire. Those who tried to escape were forced back into the burning building.
  • 1121: Jews were exiled from Flanders (now part of present-day Belgium)
  • 1130: Some Jews in London allegedly killed a sick man. The Jewish people in the city were required to pay 1 million marks as compensation.
  • 1146: The Second Crusade began. A French Monk, Rudolf, called for the destruction of the Jews.
  • 1179: Canon 24 of the [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Third Lateran Council stated: "Jews should be slaves to Christians and at the same time treated kindly due of humanitarian considerations." Canon 26 stated that the testimony of Christians against Jews is to be preferred in all causes where they use their own witnesses against Christians.
  • 1180: The French King of France, Philip Augustus, arbitrarily seized all Jewish property and expelled the Jews from the country. There was no legal justification for this action. They were allowed to sell all movable possessions, but their land and houses were stolen by the king.
  • 1189: Jews were persecuted in England. The Crown claimed all Jewish possessions. Most of their houses were burned.
  • 1205: Pope Innocent III wrote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris that "the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord...As slaves rejected by God, in whose death they wickedly conspire, they shall by the effect of this very action, recognize themselves as the slaves of those whom Christ's death set free..."
  • 1215: The Fourth Lateran Council approved canon laws requiring that "Jews and Muslims shall wear a special dress." They also had to wear a badge in the form of a ring. This was to enable them to be easily distinguished from Christians. This practice later spread to other countries.
  • 1227 Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear an oval badge. This requirement was reinstalled during the 1930's by Hitler, who changed the oval badge to a Star of David.
  • 1229: The Spanish inquisition starts. Later, in 1252, Pope Innocent IV authorizes the use of torture by the Inquisitors.
  • 1261: Duke Henry III of Brabant, Belgium, stated in his will that "Jews...must be expelled from Brabant and totally annihilated so that not a single one remains, except those who are willing to trade, like all other tradesmen, without money-lending and usury."
  • 1267: The Synod of Vienna ordered Jews to wear horned hats. Thomas Aquinas said that Jews should live in perpetual servitude.
  • 1290: Jews are exiled from England. About 16,000 left the country.
  • 1298: Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria and Franconia. 140 Jewish communities were destroyed; more than 100,000 Jews were killed over a 6 month period.
  • 1306: 100,000 Jews are exiled from France. They left with only the clothes on their backs, and food for only one day.
  • 1320: 40,000 French shepherds went to Palestine on the Shepherd Crusade. On the way, 140 Jewish communities were destroyed.
  • 1321: In Guienne, France, Jews were accused of having incited criminals to poison wells. 5,000 Jews were burned alive, at the stake.
  • 1347 +: Ships from the Far East carried rats into Mediterranean ports. The rats carried the Black Death. At first, fleas spread the disease from the rats to humans. As the plague worsened, the germs spread from human to human. In five years, the death toll had reached 25 million. England took 2 centuries for its population levels to recover from the plague. People looked around for someone to blame. They noted that a smaller percentage of Jews than Christians caught the disease. This was undoubtedly due to the Jewish sanitary and dietary laws, which had been preserved from Old Testament times. Rumors circulated that Satan was protecting the Jews and that they were paying back the Devil by poisoning wells used by Christians. The solution was to torture, murder and burn the Jews. "In Bavaria...12,000 Jews...perished; in the small town of Erfurt...3,000; Rue Brulée...2,000 Jews; near Tours, an immense trench was dug, filled with blazing wood and in a single day 160 Jews were burned." In Strausberg 2,000 Jews were burned. In Maintz 6,000 were killed...; in Worms 400..."
  • 1354: 12,000 Jews were executed in Toledo.
  • 1374: Anepidemic of possession broke out in the lower Rhine region of what is now Germany. People were seen "dancing, jumping and [engaging in] wild raving." This was triggered by enthusiastic revels on St. John's Day - an Christianized version of an ancient Pagan seasonal day of celebration which was still observed by the populace. The epidemic spread throughout the Rhine and in much of the Netherlands and Germany. Crowds of 500 or more dancers would be overcome together. Exorcisms were tried, but failed. Pilgrimages to the shrine of St. Vitus were tried, but this only seemed to exacerbate the problem. Finally, the rumor spread that God was angry because Christians had been excessively tolerant towards the Jews. God had cursed Europe as He did Saul when he showed mercy towards God's enemies in the Old Testament. Jews "were plundered, tortured and murdered by tens of thousands." The epidemic finally burned itself out two centuries later, in the late 16th century.
  • 1391: Jewish persecutions begin in Seville and in 70 other Jewish communities throughout Spain.
  • : Jews were exiled, for the second time, from France.
  • 1431 +: The Council of Basel"[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']forbade Jews to go to universities, prohibited them from acting as agents in the conclusion of contracts between Christians, and required that they attend church sermons."
  • 1453 : The Franciscan monk, Capistrano, persuaded the King of Poland to terminate all Jewish civil rights.
  • 1478: Spanish Jews had been heavily persecuted from the 14th century. Many had converted to Christianity. The Spanish Inquisition was set up by the Church in order to detect insincere conversions. Laws were passed that prohibited the descendants of Jews or Muslims from attending university, joining religious orders, holding public office, or entering any of a long list of professions.
  • 1492 : Jews were given the choice of being baptized as Christians or be banished from Spain. 300,000 left Spain penniless. Many migrated to Turkey, where they found tolerance among the Muslims. Others converted to Christianity but often continued to practice Judaism in secret.
  • 1492 (Jan) 100,00 Jews expelled and 3000 killed in Sicily (a Spanish province since 1411). 1400 years of Jewish history disappears almost overnight.
  • 1497: Jews were banished from Portugal. 20,000 left the country rather than be baptized as Christians.
  • 1516: The Governor of the Republic of Venice decided that Jews would be permitted to live only in one area of the city. It was located in the South Girolamo parish and was called the "Ghetto Novo." This was the first ghetto in Europe. Hitler made use of the concept in the 1930's.
  • 1517: The Venice Ghetto was established.
  • 1523: Martin Luther distributed his essay "[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']That Jesus Was Born a Jew. " He hoped that large numbers of Jews would convert to Christianity. They didn't, and he began to write and preach hatred against them. Luther has been condemned in recent years for being extremely antisemitic. The charge has some merit; however he was probably typical of most Christians during his era.
  • 1540 : Jews were exiled from Naples.
  • 1543 : Martin Luther, distressed by the reluctance of Jews to convert to Christianity wrote "On the Jews and their lies, On Shem Hamphoras" :
· "What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews?
    • First, their synagogues or churches should be set on fire,...
    • Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed... They ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like Gypsies.
    • Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer books and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught.
    • Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more...
    • Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews...
    • Sixthly, they ought to be stopped from usury. All their cash and valuables of silver and gold ought to be taken from them and put aside for safe keeping...
    • Seventhly, let the young and strong Jews and Jewesses be given the flail, the axe, the hoe, the spade, the distaff, and spindle and let them earn their bread by the sweat of their noses as in enjoined upon Adam's children...
To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden - the Jews."
  • 1550: Jews were exiled from Genoa and Venice.
  • 1555-JUL-12: A Roman Catholic Papal bull, "*** nimis absurdum," required Jews to wear badges, and live in ghettos. They were not allowed to own property outside the ghetto. Living conditions were dreadful: over 3,000 people were forced to live in about 8 acres of land. Women had to wear a yellow veil or scarf; men had to wear a piece of yellow cloth on their hat. [/font]
  • 1582: Jews were expelled from Holland
Antisemitism: Persecution of Jews along Racial Lines:

Previous persecution was directed at believers in Judaism. Jews could escape oppression by converting to Christianity. Subsequent attacks against Jews were racially motivated; the Jewish people were viewed as a separate race.
  • 1806: A French Jesuit Priest, Abbe Barruel, had written a treatise blaming the Masonic Order for the French Revolution. He later issued a letter alleging that Jews, not the Masons were the guilty party. This triggered a belief in an international Jewish conspiracy in Germany, Poland and some other European countries later in the 19th century.
  • 1846 - 1878: Pope Pius IX restored all of the previous restrictions against the Jews within the Vatican state. All Jews under Papal control were confined to Rome's ghetto - the last one in Europe until the Nazi era. On 2000-SEP-3, Pope John Paul II beautified Pius IX; this is the last step before sainthood. He explained: "Beatifying a son of the church does not celebrate particular historic choices that he has made, but rather points him out for imitation and for veneration for his virtue."
  • 1858: Edgardo Mortara was kidnapped, at the age of six, from his Jewish family by Roman Catholic officials after they found out that a maid had secretly baptized him. He was not returned to his family but was raised a Catholic. He eventually became a priest.
  • 1873: The term "[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']antisemitism" is first used in a pamphlet by Wilhelm Marr called "Jewry's Victory over Teutonism."
  • 1881: Alexander II of Russia was assassinated by radicals. The Jews were blamed. About 200 individual pogroms against the Jews followed. Pogrom" is a Russian word meaning "devastatio" or "." In Russia, a pogrom was typically a mob riot against Jewish individuals, shops, homes or businesses. They were often supported and even organized by the government.) Thousands of Jews became homeless and impoverished. The few who were charged with offenses generally received very light sentences.
  • 1893: "...anti-Semitic parties won sixteen seats in the German Reichstag."
  • 1894: Captain Alfred Dreyfus, an officer on the French general staff, was convicted of treason. The evidence against him consisted of a piece of paper from his wastebasket with another person's handwriting, and papers forged by antisemitic officers. He received a life sentence on Devil's Island, off the coast of South America. The French government was aware that a Major Esterhazy was actually guilty. (The church, government and army united to suppress the truth. Writer Emile Zola and politician Jean Jaurès fought for justice and human rights. After 10 years, the French government fell and Drefus was declared totally innocent. The Dreyfus Affair was world-wide news for years. It motivated Journalist Theodor Herzl to write a book in 1896: "The Jewish State: A Modern Solution to the Jewish Question." The book led to the founding of the Zionist movement which fought for a Jewish Homeland. A half century later, the state of Israel was born.
  • 1903: At Easter, government agents organized an anti-Jewish pogrom in Kishinev, Moldova, Russia. The local newspaper published a series of inflammatory articles. A Christian child was discovered murdered and a young Christian woman at the Jewish Hospital committed suicide. Jews were blamed for the deaths. Violence ensured. The 5,000 soldiers in the town did nothing. When the smoke cleared, 49 Jews had been killed, 500 were injured; 700 homes looted and destroyed, 600 businesses and shops looted, 2000 families left homeless. Later, it was discovered that the child had been murdered by its relatives and the suicide was unrelated to the Jews.
  • 1905: The Okhrana, the Russian secret police in the reign of Czar Nicholas II, converted an earlier antisemitic novel into a document called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." It was published privately in 1897. A Russian Orthodox priest, Sergius Nilus, published them publicly in 1905. It is promoted as the record of "secret rabbinical conferences whose aim was to subjugate and exterminate the Christians." The Protocols were used by the Okhrana in a propaganda campaign that was associated with massacres of the Jews. These were the Czarist Pogroms of 1905.
  • 1915: 600,000 Jews were forcibly moved from the western borders of Russia towards the interior. About 100,000 died of exposure or starvation.
  • 1917: "In the civil war following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, the reactionary White Armies made extensive use of the Protocols to incite widespread slaughters of Jews." 200,000 Jews were murdered in the Ukraine.
  • 1920: The Protocols reach England and the United States. They are exposed as a forgery, but are widely circulated. Henry Ford sponsored a study of international activities of Jews. This led to a series of antisemitic articles in the Dearborn Independent, which were published in a book, "The International Jew."
  • : The defeat of Germany in World War I and the continuing economic difficulties were blamed in that country on the "Jewish influence." One antisemitic poster has been preserved from that era. It shows a German, presumably Christian woman, a male Jew with distorted facial features, a coffin and the word "Deutschland" (Germany)
  • 1920's, 1930's]: Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf: "Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. " The Protocols are used by the Nazis to whip up public hatred of the Jews in the 1930's. Widespread pogroms occur in Greece, Hungary, Mexico, Poland, Rumania, and the USSR. Radio programs by many conservative American clergy, both Roman Catholic and Protestant, frequently attacked Jews. Reverend Fr. Charles E Coughlin was one of the best known. "In the 1930's, radio audiences heard him rail against the threat of Jews to America's economy and defend Hitler's treatment of Jews as justified in the fight against communism.[/font]" Other conservative Christian leaders, such as Frank Norris and John Straton supported the Jews.
Discrimination against Jews in North America is widespread. Many universities set limits on the maximum number of Jewish students that they would accept. Harvard accepted all students on the basis of merit until after World War I when the percentage of Jewish students approached 15%. At that time they installed an informal quota system. In 1941, Princeton had fewer than 2% Jews in their student body. Jews were routinely barred from country clubs, prestigious neighborhoods, etc.
  • 1933: Hitler took power in Germany. Jews "were barred from civil service, legal professions and universities, were not allowed to teach in schools and could not be editors of newspapers." (3) Two years later, Jews were no longer considered citizens.
  • 1934: Various laws were enacted in Germany to force Jews out of schools and professions.
  • 1935: The Nazis passed the Nuremberg Laws restricting citizenship to those of "German or related blood." Jews became stateless.
  • 1936: Cardinal Hloud of Poland urged Catholics to boycott Jewish businesses.
  • 1938: On NOV-9, the Nazi government in Germany sent storm troopers, the SS and the Hitler Youth on a pogrom that killed 91 Jews, injured hundreds, burned 177 synagogues and looted 7,500 Jewish stores. Broken glass could be seen everywhere; the glass gave this event its name of Kristallnacht, the Night of Broken Glass.
  • 1938: Hitler brought back century-old church law, ordering all Jews to wear a yellow Star of David as identification. A few hundred thousand Jews are allowed to leave Germany after they give all of their assets to the government.
  • 1939: The Holocaust, the systematic extermination of Jews in Germany begins. The process only ended in 1945 with the conclusion of World War II. Approximately 6 million Jews (1.5 million of them children), 400 thousand Roma (Gypsies) and others were slaughtered. Some were killed by death squads; others were slowly killed in trucks with carbon monoxide; others were gassed in large groups in Auschwitz, Dacau, Sobibor, Treblinka and other extermination camps. Officially, the holocaust was described by the Nazis as subjecting Jews "to special treatment" or as a "solution of the Jewish question." Gold taken from the teeth of the victims was recycled; hair was used in the manufacture of mattresses. In the Buchenwald extermination camp, lampshades were made out of human skin; however, this appears to be an isolated incident. A rumor spread that Jewish corpses were routinely converted into soap. However, the story appears to be false.
  • 1940: The Vichy government of France collaborated with Nazi Germany by freezing about 80,000 Jewish bank accounts. During the next four years, they deported about 76,000 Jews to Nazi death camps; only about 2,500 survived. It was only in 1995 that a French president, Jacques Chirac, "was able to admit that the state bore a heavy share of responsibility in the mass round-ups and deportations of Jews, as well as in the property and asset seizures that were carried out with the active help of the Vichy regime."
  • 1941: The Holocaust Museum in Washington DC estimates that 13,000 Jews died on 1941-JUN-19 during a pogrom in Bucharest, Romania. It was ordered by the pro-Nazi Romanian regime of Marshal Ion Antonescu. The current government has admitted that this atrocity happened, but most Romanians continue to deny that the Jews were killed on orders from their government.
  • 1942: From JUL-28 to 31, almost 18,000 inhabitants of the Minsk ghetto in what is now Belarus were exterminated. This was in addition to 5,000 to 15,000 who had been massacred in earlier pogroms in that city. This was just one of many such pogroms during World War II.
  • 1946: Even though World War II ended the year before, antisemitic pogroms continued, particularly in Poland.
Persecution of Jewish Physicians by the Church

Medicine in Europe during the Middle Ages found itself restricted by the Christian Church. The church taught that it was irreligious to seek a natural cure from a physician when one could obtain supernatural help from a priest. Some church leaders criticized medical schools because they taught that diseases and disorders came from natural means and not from the evil efforts of Satan.
With medicine in such ill repute among Christians, much of the leadership by the 10th century was provided by Jews and Muslim scholars. Jews were largely responsible for founding the medical Schools at Salerno and Montpellier in the 10th century.
Pope Eugene IV, Nicholas V and Calixtus III forbade Christians from using the services of a Jewish physician. The Trullanean Council in the 8th century; Béziers Council & Alby Council in the 13th century; Avignon council & Salamanca Council in the 14th century, the Synod of Bamberg in the 15th century; the Council of Avignon in the 16th century, etc. also ordered Christians to not seek healing from Jewish physicians and surgeons. This continued even into the 17th century when the city of Hall in Würtemberg (in what is now Germany) granted some privileges to a Jewish physician "on account of his admirable experience and skill." The clergy of Hall complained that "it were better to die with Christ than to be cured by a Jew doctor aided by the devil." (17)
Copyright © 1997 to 2001 incl., by Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
Latest update: 2001-JAN-11
Author: B.A. Robinson
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