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I'd like to see some discussion of different beliefs and religious perspectives concerning weather. I see some references to weather in some religions, but everyone's eyes are different. I don't want to bias this thread with my interpretations and viewpoints, but I am lamenting with the issue and searching for answers from any religion, belief, spiritual guidance, vision, insight, etc... so I'll just ask some basic questions to stir thoughts:

Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?
Does God cause weather events today? Have some disasters been unnaturally made?
Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?
Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it?
Is Global warming a problem? A concern?
Can global warming be reversed? Should it?
Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with?
If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they?
If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people?
What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

I'm also looking for a good list of scripture references relating to the subject of weather, natural disasters, and weather control.
 
cyberpi said:
I'd like to see some discussion of different beliefs and religious perspectives concerning weather. I see some references to weather in some religions, but everyone's eyes are different. I don't want to bias this thread with my interpretations and viewpoints, but I am lamenting with the issue and searching for answers from any religion, belief, spiritual guidance, vision, insight, etc... so I'll just ask some basic questions to stir thoughts:

Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?
Does God cause weather events today? Have some disasters been unnaturally made?
Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?
Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it?
Is Global warming a problem? A concern?
Can global warming be reversed? Should it?
Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with?
If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they?
If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people?
What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

I'm also looking for a good list of scripture references relating to the subject of weather, natural disasters, and weather control.
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So many questions...... and this weather sure is weaving strange patterns. Mighty winds and rain in the UK today, and another strange phenomena is that the apples are still hanging from the tree, even in 80- 90 mph blasts the're still hanging from the tree, while trees themselves fall around them. Maybe the're holding on till the new Adam arrives.

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this is not a religious perspective, but maybe relevant.
theres seems to be a few scientific weather controlling groups emerging, connected with wilhelm reichs work. james demeo is one and seems to promote a responsible approach to this technology using it in african countries where drought is a problem.

then theres don croft promoting the use to disperse chemtrails from planes apparently used to poison the populus; instigated by reptilian aliens! that they they disperse the chemtrails seems to be true.

james demeos' contention is that don croft is selling this technology to untrained peoples and telling them to leave them pointed at the sky 24/7, also dispersing clouds and causing drought. and that 1 of these devices is capable of altering the weather on a whole continent.

its an interesting subject which stangely appears to be possible and used responsibly could be very beneficial; like i said for drought and even for nuclear fallout cloud dispersion...jase James DeMeo, Saharasia
 
Right on Prober...since the sixties...eighties once people started to view it as a possibly useful technology and not as G-d's weapons systems. According to a guy named Tom Bearden, the Soviets were way ahead of the west with this stuff until we chose to see the light in the 80's and 90's.

flow....:cool:
 
You've asked us for our thoughts...these are mine...
cyberpi said:
Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?
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tis a reaction of an amazing combination of events...many of which have inertia
cyberpi said:
Does God cause weather events today?
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no, not in the tossing lightning bolts, causing floods sense...never has in my book
cyberpi said:
Have some disasters been unnaturally made?
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intentionally I don't know...I remember a baseball player who died in a plane crash headed for some charitable work...stories abounded that our guys went into a hurricane and caused it to shift course, missing the US and hitting south america...I doubt it as if we had that power we didn't do so hot last year...
cyberpi said:
Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?
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I think so...just don't think appears to have that much faith.
cyberpi said:
Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it?
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to a degree...of course it affects the those multitudes of events offsets the inertia, we don't have the wherewithal to calculate the long term consequences
cyberpi said:
Is Global warming a problem? A concern?
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yup, world economies and populations will be affected
cyberpi said:
Can global warming be reversed? Should it?
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not in our lifetime...inertia...I think most of what we are seeing today stems from events a century or more ago...when I was in elementary school they told us we were entering the next ice age...could be we've held that at bay
cyberpi said:
Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with?
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no they aren't ...signs that is
cyberpi said:
If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they?
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maybe, but again we don't know the consequences
cyberpi said:
If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people?
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yes...but lawyers would do well as will lobbyists.
cyberpi said:
What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?
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We, the collective we when charted, are G-d's will, personal hiccups and stumbles, but the whole is moving forward...
 
Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?

Nature

Does God cause weather events today? Have some disasters been unnaturally made?

No. Depends on what you think is unnatural. If you mean supernaturally made, nothing more than localized patterns, and not due to God as much as people working with nature itself. I find global warming to be unnatural (in that it is human-accelerated at this point, and not running the normal course), but not of supernatural origin.

Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?

Maybe, at least locally. But I don't think it is so much that prayer to God causes God to change the weather. I think it is more that nature responds to our wills. At least, I've enough "coincidences" with shamans and such to think there's more going on there than the science allows for. But then, I think nature, including wind and such, is alive in a way on its own. I don't think the non-living parts of nature are really mechanical- we just don't understand that kind of life.

Should it? I think not. Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. Human planning horizons are too short and self-centered to generally be good bases for something like this.

Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it?

I don't know through scientific- though there is the whole cloud-seeding thing. I think weather control through prayer or magic or anything like that is a response of nature to our own wills. And no, I don't think we should mess with it.

Is Global warming a problem? A concern?

Yes. And what people fail to realize is that it isn't just about warming. It's about extreme weather patterns. This winter is the coldest of the last thirty years in my area; this summer is projected to be the hottest. It's the problems of extremes and unpredictability.

Can global warming be reversed? Should it?

No, but we could slow down the process by halting a lot of our short-sighted practices that are messing up the normal course of things. Warming and cooling trends naturally happen, but it is our choices that have accelerated this one, making it more dangerous. Yes, we should avoid impacting natural weather patterns as much as possible.

Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with?

I don't think so. It isn't like changing weather patterns have never happened before. It is part of the natural rhythms of earth.

If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they?

No. How would they die out if they didn't move and hit land? Look at Jupiter and it's storms, and you'll see what I mean. They go for decades because there is no land to hit to dissipate them. People need to create lifestyles that, as much as possible, work with nature rather than trying to control it. And we have to realize that no matter how awful the consequences of volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes... they are disasters to us but not to earth. The earth depends on them for renewal and continuity of life. An unchanging planet is a dead planet.

If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people?

Probably. Seems like everything else we've learned to control has led to political nightmares.

What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

Leave it alone.

I'm also looking for a good list of scripture references relating to the subject of weather, natural disasters, and weather control.

The scriptures about the flood in Genesis comes to mind, and the passages about feeling God in thunderstorms (OT), and that the rain falls on the just and unjust alike (NT).

All the weather control stuff I know about comes from either shamanic religions or modern magic.
 
cyberpi...Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?

well, if god is everything, and controls everything, it makes sense the same should apply to the weather...

Does God cause weather events today?
... yes, currently he's using the tornado's floods and and hurricanes button a lot, it seems

Have some disasters been unnaturally made?
...yes

Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?, yes, and yes

Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it? yes, and yes

Is Global warming a problem? A concern? yes

Can global warming be reversed? Should it? yes and yes

Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with? no, and yes

If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they? yes

If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people? yes

What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

gods can do it, and so can some saints/holy men...

I'm also looking for a good list of scripture references relating to the subject of weather, natural disasters, and weather control.



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...I think that the only reason we collectively spend billions on the space race and trying to colonise other planets is because our scientists know that we have messed this world up beyond repair, and there's no going back... we have the human, intellectual and financial resources to manufacture and use sustainable energies, right across the board, but by the time our current heads of state have served their tenures and gone on the lecture circuit there's another fresh gang sucking up to the conglomerates, and nothing will ever change until we value ppl over money and power, and until we learn that we really are responsible for the next generations welfare... we are not custodians of the planet, we are pimps, we drug it up, poison it, and turn it out, exploit it, and we don't give a damn... yes, I have energy efficient lightbulbs, and no doubt so do my neighbours, but it's not gonna stop the sea level from rising the supposed 50 metres it is supposed to over the next 25 years... yes, I recycle my papers, and my tins, and my glass, but what use is that when we have such cheap flights and we are still so reliant on fossil fuels, coal, coke, gas, oil, etc? what use are sustainable technologies when ppl don't have health care and education and democracy..? its all short term gains, and no real thought for the future, but hey, by the time any real problems kick in I'll be dead, so should I even care?
 
Francis king said:
but it's not gonna stop the sea level from rising the supposed 50 metres
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I don't know where everyone does there math to figure this kind of stuff out and spread it as fact. Multiply current square miles of ice times the depth in feet and divide it into the square miles of ocean...Seems to me if it all melts you can't get 4 meters...
 
Do you think G-d might have a surprise waiting for us under the icecaps?
 
Francis king said:
lol, not atlantis again...
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Oh, is Atlantis rising? I should say so. But something tells me the vimanas won't quite be in working order. Dunno about big power crystals, either. But what does this have to do with The Imperishable Sacred Land, under the polar ice caps?
 
There are simple ways for every person to help reverse global warming: Plant trees. Ask God to plant them in the ocean. Level off mountains on Western coasts. The implementation of a single word reverses global warming to cool the planet: evaporation.

Furthermore the photosynthesis of a tree, plant, or bacteria captures carbon to store up energy that may otherwise go to waste. Wasted like in a hurricane, a tornado, or on a sweltering hot day with air conditioners running to burn energy and make it even hotter. The water cycle is a heat pump that cools the planet, delivers fresh water, and is still the number one source of electricity on the planet today. The oil burned today originated from trees and plant life. Evaporation is the accelerator to the engine of the Earth's heat pump. It is the way to cool the planet. To improve evaporation requires: greater wettable surface area, low thermal mass, thermal isolation from the ground, path for air flow, and target surface area to the sun and night sky. A tree is perfect, preferably a fir tree but whatever will grow. Once enough trees are planted the climate changes as the trees modify the climate.

Tornados can be prevented by planting trees. Hurricanes can also be dimished, diverted, or prevented altogether by increasing the rate of evaporation off the ocean surface. A hurricane or tornado is a concentrated heat pump where the rate of evaporation is greatly increased as wind blows across the surface of warm water. The plants growing on the surface of the ocean in the mid-Atlantic would be a good start, but I'd recommend asking God to intervene. Anything to nurture phytoplankton has rewards to capture CO2 for the marine food chain, but I am talking about a solid target above the water, thermally isolated from the ocean, with wind exposed surface area that increases evaporation and desalination by the use of solar energy. The ocean surface can be kept cooler and the air / water flow into Northern Africa, the Middle East, and Mexico, can be improved to turn the deserts into tropical rain forests.

Most all energy comes from the sun and must equally leave the planet as light. For every photon (ray of light) that hits the planet, more photons must leave it. Every single interaction is being recorded and those photons carry most of the evidence. Photons that arrive from the sun tend be hot (> 5,000 deg C), with radiation at higher frequencies which includes the visible spectrum. Photons that leave are closer to planet temperatures: 30 deg C, which is primarily at lower frequencies that people do not directly see. Infrared or lower. On a clear night the radiation easily escapes directly off the planet and the surface cools. On a cloudy night some radiation is trapped. The atmosphere with water vapor traps in heat far better than CO2. In my viewpoint, atmospheric CO2 is not the culprit but is just a correlated variable to planet activity. I admire the ice core graphs that Al Gore admires, but correlation does not mean causation. It is H2O that is concentrated in the atmosphere with a polarized molecule which interacts heavily across the EM spectrum. In the day the sun puts energy into the H2O laden atmosphere causing an increase in pressure. That pressure difference causes wind and drives thermals upwards. It is that absorption of solar energy that drives the heat pump. The water vapor is elevated with increased kinetic and gravitational energy. That is, elevated past the EM insulative (greenhouse) atmosphere. When the water condenses and clouds form, the water molecules stick together releasing long wave radiation into space. As clouds form they also reflect away the suns energy. That shielding commutates the cycle and permits cooling, cloud formulation, and rain. It is a cycle. Water that goes up will come down and the accelerator to that cycle is evaporation. Just as we can step on the accelerator of a car engine to divert gas to the cylinders and speed up the cycle of the engine, we can also step on the accelerator of the planet's heat pump to divert sun light to it and speed up the water cycle. That cycle is net-cooling, removes entropy from the planet, cleans the atmosphere, increases fresh water, and increases gravitational hydro-energy.

When I die, don't waste more of the panet's energy to cremate me and further increase global warming... put the body near a tree. Cars, animals, humans, or industrial processes burn stored energy and often evaporate water vapor into the air, but they also release heat. Yes, they release CO2 too if you think that is what causes global warming. Whereas a tree stores energy, captures CO2, and yet causes solar, wind, and surface area driven evaporation. But a solar panel for example which stores solar energy does NOT drive the water cycle. Not like a tree. There is massive surface area on the planet and the majority of it is ocean, but how many trees has the average person planted to compensate for the cars that they drive or the electricity that they consume? How many people consume wood products and wipe themselves daily with dead tree pulp, but have never planted a tree? The solution to global warming does not require billions of dollars in research. The solution is simple... plant trees.
 
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