Black President In The Usa? Are We Ready?

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Democrats see themselves as caring for society and the people and the environment, Republicans see Democrats as socialists who create entitlement programs thinking the gov't knows more than the individual.

    Republicans see themselves as fiscally conservative, empowering the individual, small gov't, less taxes. Democrats see them as greedy capitalists, without a care for the little guy or down trodden.

    Neither party acts like its platform, and in reality both are co-opted by the lobbyists and big business despite their rhetoric and finger pointing. The oligarchy took over this country in the 1800's and completed the take over in the early 1900's.

    I think Churchill said something akin to ~ If your not a liberal(democrat) in your youth you have no heart, and if your not conservative(republican) in your old age you have no brain. Implying that the exuberance of youth, hope and dreams makes way to funding reality over time. Lincoln said something like ~ Our country is fighting two wars, in front of us we have the country splitting apart and to my rear the bankers trying to take it over, and of the two I fear the bankers the most.
     
  2. greymare

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    thanks so much for that, willy, (lol) im still confused but not as much as before. lol. obviously Lincoln was a smart man, but it goes to show, that things dont change much after so many years, do they?
     
  3. Operacast

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    You know, it's a shame: I used to be quite an admirer of Andrew Young. But quite recently, as a spokesman for Walmart, he trashed the Asian community in clearly bigoted terms, and I was absolutely disgusted. Too many public figures develop tin ears sooner or later. I thought Andrew Young was an exception...........

    Operacast
     
  4. truthseeker

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    I am a black female, so for a while I was split between the two. As prejudice as this country is - just to see a Black Face in the White House; as numb-headed as men can be - just to see some monthly bi-polarism lurking in the shadows . . .

    Really though - Daddy Bush was Reagan's VP and then became Pres. Then Bill Clinton. Then Baby Bush. Now Hilary?
    28 years of two families running the nation. If Hilary gets in that'll be at least 32. And with all the sensationalism I'm not sure if we are remembering that McCain is still in the running. With America's "conquest" of Iraq maybe our electoral college doesn't think it's time yet to disillusion the public with a Democrat who will all of a sudden start acting a bit Republican.
     
  5. greymare

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    does it really boil down to the colour of his skin? Or in the other candidate, when she has a penis or not.?
     
  6. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    unfortunately, yup.

    But not really. If Hillary wasn't a known entity, and didn't have Bill...ie another woman with actual experience and not so much baggage, would have a better chance. Same thing, a black man with more experience today would have a better chance and in reality both are paving the way for the day when we do actually have a woman or black man or Asian, or Jew or Hispanic in the white house. But I am not seeing it this term unless somehow the Hillary/Obama ticket can be brokered.
     
  7. Jack Halyard

    Jack Halyard Hermano Pequeño

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    Well now boys and girls,
    The latest buzz is Condoleeza for McCain's running mate.
    What do you think of that?
     
  8. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    I'd like to see it, but I think it baloney, running something up the flag pole that ain't gonna happen to see who salutes.

    Until John shoots himself in the foot he doesn't need a VP to win, as long as he doesn't pick some KKK neocon and he doesn't have to run against the Clinton/Obama ticket he is a shoe in.

    She wants to be commisioner of the NFL, has expressed repeatedly wanting to get the heck out of politics, and more power to her.

    The Republicans should be looking at who they can groom to take over in four years...and that should be the veep. If I were they highest on my list believe it or not would be Newt Gingrich.
     
  9. Pathless

    Pathless Fiercely Interdependent

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    If McCain took Rice as a running mate, and if America has been paying attention for the past eight years, McCain would be shooting himself in the foot. Rice and the rest of the CheneyBush crew belong in a maximum security prison somewhere in outer space, preferably very close to the sun. Very close.

    Why do people feel that McCain is such a given in November? Do the polls tell you that? I don't understand.
     
  10. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Just generically about 45% of the country votes Democratic and a little less than that Republican. Obama and Clinton have effectively split the democratic vote, statistically no Republicans will be switching sides, many Dems will vote for McCain, its just numbers. Obama first time voters will just stay home rather than vote for Hillary and died in the wool Hillary voters will vote for McCain.

    As far as Condi goes, John Q. Public would vote for her hands down.
     
  11. Pathless

    Pathless Fiercely Interdependent

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    I don't know. I think that when Obama and McCain square off in debates, Obama will be much more coherent, intelligent, and charismatic than the venerable soldier. I think that will have an effect on people--at least some people. Rather than just look at how things have been and what the (cooked) statistics show (and by the way, at least one poll is showing Obama as a clear winner in an Obama-McCain face-off), when I compare McCain and Obama, I just have a hard time seeing how McCain can be a shoo-in, a sure win. I am probably giving the American people too much credit on the attention and intelligence scale, though. :rolleyes:
     
  12. wil

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    Very good poll and exactly what most of them lack. Forget popular vote, it is electoral college votes by state that count. And as we get closer and as you indicate debates start we'll find more info (Obama has improved over his debate time).

    I see they are now looking at a Hillary/Obama ticket vs. McCain/Rice and Hillary loses New York, which would indicate landslide.
     
  13. YO-ELEVEN-11

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    I Guess we were ready after all!!!

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  14. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    Yyyyeeeeehawww!
     
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  16. winner08

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    ready or not here he comes. the people have spoken and the order of the days to come is change. Change, good or bad I hope and pray it is for the better. My son who is in his 20s and a construction worker says well father it could not get any worse. Being the dad and the smart one of the family said oh yes it can always get worse. I don't know if it will or not but yes it can get worse. I pray it gets better I pray we get on top of our game. I pray Obama takes us to the promise land. that we stand on the mountain top. there is lots and lots of hopes and dreams riding on this man. I for one didn't vote for him or the other. I voted for ?? and I am pulling for Obama. God bless Obama and these United strates of america.

    Darren
     
  17. YO-ELEVEN-11

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    Daps. Hope this will be positive chane for the world. That guy has a lot ahead of him... I hope he will be strong enough to take what's coming at him.

    :eek:
     
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    I honestly never thought I'd live to see this day.
    An incredible triumph. dmsingh
     
  19. path_of_one

    path_of_one Embracing the Mystery

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    I cried. There is so much that was unprecedented in this election that gives me hope. America overcame its racism enough to have a mixed race President. America's youth overcame our cynicism enough to be a voice for change.

    I realize the limits of a President's power and the enormity of the problems facing Obama.

    But I still count this election as a huge stand for HOPE. At the heart of it, this is the first election that I've come out of it more hopeful than I went in. And the efforts of both parties to be at least civil and bipartisan, to encourage Americans in cooperative effort to fix our problems... this is amazing.

    Tonight, I mostly raised a glass to my grandfather who passed away last year. He worked for years and years to end racism in the South. And as Obama won, I knew my grandfather is cheering where ever he is. He may not have lived to see this night, but I know in his small way, his work, like so many Americans', was instrumental in leading us to this moment.
     
  20. GlorytoGod

    GlorytoGod There is a River

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    Obama is mixed race his mother is white so he is just as much white as he is black, not that it matters.
     

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