Transgender murders

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Found a story about transgender murders on the BBC site. Found the article interesting and thought-provoking:

excerpt:
On 26 December 1993 a young transsexual was shot and stabbed to death in the United States in a crime which later became the subject of the Oscar-winning movie Boys Don't Cry. Ten years on, her family are still seeking justice and dozens of transsexuals continue to be murdered every year.

The film told the true story of Brandon Teena, a girl from Nebraska who chose to live as a boy. Brandon, who was 21, and two other people, were shot and stabbed to death only days after she complained to the police about being raped. Two men, John Lotter and Marvin Nissen, were convicted of first-degree murder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3219591.stm
 
Nitpicking with words

I was wondering what a ‘transgender’ means exactly. The word used in the excerpt is ‘transsexual’.


...a young transsexual was shot and stabbed to death in...

The film told the true story of Brandon Teena, a girl from Nebraska who chose to live as a boy. Brandon, who was 21...


The natural anatomical sex of the subject-victim is female, but her libidinal preference is lesbian(?). Is a tomboy a boyish girl but not necessarily a lesbian. For guys we have homos. But for both sexes, persons who have libidinal preference for the same sex are called ‘gays’(?)

Are the words ‘transgender’ and ‘transsexual’ interchangeable?

My own observation is that gay people whether anatomically male or female are only interested in the same sex for purely libidinous or erotic ends or orientations, not excluding of course emotional attachments.

But for the real important business of male-ness and female-ness in the reproductive scheme of things and for maternal and paternal roles, both homos and lesbians are totally indifferent to these psycho-physiological objectives.

I could be wrong though.

As regards the crime reported in the BBC excerpt, I think it is a plain rape *** homicide case. I don’t think there is any essentially peculiar interest from the assailants relative to the transgender or transsexual character of the victim. Her being a tomboy perhaps made the rape more exotic in respect of variety.

Susma Rio Sep
 
My knowledge should certainly not be taken as the final word, but it is my understanding from those who should know such things that "transsexual" refers to a person who has had, or who is in the process of having gender reassignment surgery. "Transgender", on the other hand, as I understand it, refers to someone who may have issues with his or her genetic and/or genital gender but who may or may not be interested in surgery to bring his or her physical gender into conformity with his or her psychological gender identification. Transgender also covers, as I understand it, those born with ambiguous gender characteristics - hermaphrodites and those with physical gender characterstics that cannot be easily assigned to either male or female in a traditionally accepted sense.

Neither of these terms have much of anything to do with cross-dressing, or in other words, transvestites. Transvestites are those, gay or straight, who like to dress as someone of the opposite gender from their own. The fact of the matter is that studies have shown that most transvestites are in fact heterosexual (and, in the United States, the majority tend to be straight males whose political orientation is largely conservative and Republican - go figure!). These statistics come from a psychology instructor I had for a class one semester whose speciality was the study of transvestites, transsexuals, and the transgendered. I have also been acquainted, at various times, with a couple of transsexual/transgendered individuals and with both gay and straight male and female cross-dressers. Amazing the variety of individuals one can meet even in the conservative area of California where I live.
 
Kudos!

Dear Littlemiss:

You write very authoritatively and knowingly and clearly, using very plain words.

Thanks for your contribution to my education.

Susma Rio Sep
 
I found it quite interesting. I also did some cross-referencing of the BBC's information concerning Brandon Teena with what's been posted on Crime Library (plus I tried to find some other cases concerning transgender/transsexual victims, but didn't have much luck. Yet.)

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
 
Clinical question

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I am a guy and I have never forced sex on any woman.*

I can't imagine how a guy can rape a woman unless he uses violence on her, either directly by physically overpowering her, like pin her down with his legs and arms. Now this is a clinical question: how does one have sex with appendages already thus occupied.

Or he knocks her down to disable her so that she can't make it impossible for him to busy himself with her.

Or he indirectly by threatening harm on her or her loved ones.

Or he ties her down and thus can take his time and pleasure.

Only a clinical question. So please answer me clinically, spare the prurient details.


Susma Rio Sep

*Believe me, I have not slept with any woman except my lawfully wedded wife.
 
Susma Rio Sep said:
(Note to moderator: If this post is out of bounds, please delete it. But we are mature posters.)


I am a guy and I have never forced sex on any woman.*

I can't imagine how a guy can rape a woman unless he uses violence on her, either directly by physically overpowering her, like pin her down with his legs and arms. Now this is a clinical question: how does one have sex with appendages already thus occupied.

Or he knocks her down to disable her so that she can't make it impossible for him to busy himself with her.

Or he indirectly by threatening harm on her or her loved ones.

Or he ties her down and thus can take his time and pleasure.

Only a clinical question. So please answer me clinically, spare the prurient details.


Susma Rio Sep

*Believe me, I have not slept with any woman except my lawfully wedded wife.

Rape: ANY ACTION deliberately forced upon any other person into a position leading to and including sexual intercourse...against their will, no matter how slight the penetration is considered rape. (this actually goes for men being "raped" as well, and trust me it has happened).

Not to be confused with sexual assault, whole different ball game (just as bad but different ball game...no pun intended).

I know this sad crime. I've investigated more than my share of it.

The key words are "...against their will".

That means a person who may "consent" initially, may withdraw their consent later. The other partner, then must stop immediately (animals may not be able to stop their rutt, but humans are above the animals...right?...the law says so).

With married couples the law gets into a gray area, but the jist is the same...but who the hell would want to rape their spouse? And why would they have to? That one is strange to me.

Oh, this is a very sad crime.
 
Originally posted by Susma Rio Sep
I am a guy and I have never forced sex on any woman.*

I can't imagine how a guy can rape a woman unless he uses violence on her, either directly by physically overpowering her, like pin her down with his legs and arms. Now this is a clinical question: how does one have sex with appendages already thus occupied.

Or he knocks her down to disable her so that she can't make it impossible for him to busy himself with her.

Or he indirectly by threatening harm on her or her loved ones.

Or he ties her down and thus can take his time and pleasure.

Only a clinical question. So please answer me clinically, spare the prurient details.


Susma Rio Sep

There're a few more ways, Susmo:

1. If the person is either drunk or drugged (Rohypnol, for one), any sexual activity is considered rape.

2. If the person is unconscious (like a case here in Wisconsin of a woman who was impregnated by a nurse's aide while the woman was comatose.)

3. If the person is legally not able to give consent (severe intellectual disabled people or severely mentally ill people.)

4. If a person has some form of power over the other (or on the other hand, a person gains power through the intimacy, such as an "underling" who threatens the person "over" them with whatever [I'm not exactly sure how that would go, and I'm not really interested in finding out, thankyouverymuch.])

There might be other ways, but I don't recall them right at the moment, and I think I've given enough examples of the one's I do recall for right now.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
 
3. If the person is legally not able to give consent (severe intellectual disabled people or severely mentally ill people.)

This would also include persons under the age of legal consent (Which varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction). This is usually known as statutory rape.
 
Littlemiss, you seem quite knowledgeable here. Tell me, although this is not strictly pertinent to the matter of the thread:

Is it true that prostitutes are under pimps because they suffer some kind of psychological subserviency beyond their own rational control?

Or is it a purely business arangement?

And are pimps generally brutal to their charges, as we see in movies and on tv?

Are there no commendably useful and practical and mutually beneficial aspects to the relationship between prostitutes and their pimps?

Just curious, and after a more real knowledge of things.


Susma Rio Sep
 
Susma Rio Sep said:
Littlemiss, you seem quite knowledgeable here. Tell me, although this is not strictly pertinent to the matter of the thread:

Is it true that prostitutes are under pimps because they suffer some kind of psychological subserviency beyond their own rational control?

Or is it a purely business arangement?

And are pimps generally brutal to their charges, as we see in movies and on tv?

Are there no commendably useful and practical and mutually beneficial aspects to the relationship between prostitutes and their pimps?

Just curious, and after a more real knowledge of things.


Susma Rio Sep

Sorry, don't have any idea. I've only ever known one woman who I knew to have ever had that particular experience. She didn't say much about it, and I didn't feel it was appropriate to ask questions. I will say that she didn't strike me as being a particularly subservient person; however, I only knew her in one environment, and individuals are often very different in different environments. Oh, and since this is a religion forum, I will say that she was a religious person and had been during her experience.
 
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