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Ask Lee... About Not Needing God

By Lee Strobel
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Q. "I know several people who have never known or heard about God, let alone Jesus, for most of their lives, and they say that life's been great without him. They don't need him. What made you want to believe or to seek the truth? What made you humble yourself and say, 'I need and want to have a relationship with God'"?

Lee Strobel's Testimony: From Atheist to Believer (2:22)

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A.When I was an atheist, I didn't see any need for God either. I was a successful journalist at the Chicago Tribune, my first book had just been published, and I had no interest or desire to find out anything about Jesus. I was happy enough without faith. What changed?

Basically, I came to realize that if Christianity is true, then there was no way I could rescue myself from an eternity in hell. If the New Testament is accurate, then my wrongdoing had separated me from God and the only way I could be reconciled with him would be through receiving the freely offered gift of forgiveness that’s available through Christ. Of course, the operative word is "if."

* If Jesus is the Son of God, his teachings are more than just good ideas from a wise teacher; they are divine insights on which I can confidently build my life.
* If Jesus sets the divine standard for morality, I could now have an unwavering foundation for my choices and decisions, rather than basing them on the ever-shifting sands of expediency and self-centeredness.
* If Jesus did rise from the dead, he’s still alive today and available for me to encounter on a personal basis.
* If Jesus conquered death, he can open the door of eternal life for me, too.
* If Jesus has divine power, he has the supernatural ability to guide me and help me and transform me as I follow him.
* If Jesus personally knows the pain of loss and suffering, he can encourage me in the midst of the turbulence that he himself warned is inevitable in a world corrupted by sin.
* If Jesus loves me as he says, he has my best interests at heart. That means I have nothing to lose and everything to gain by committing myself to him and his purposes.
* If Jesus is who he claims to be (and remember, no leader of any other major religion has even pretended to be God), as my Creator he rightfully deserves my allegiance, obedience, and worship.

To find out whether Christianity is based on mythology, wishful thinking, or make-believe, I launched into a nearly two-year investigation of the evidence for Jesus of Nazareth.

I focused on the issue of whether he had risen from the dead. If he had, that was good evidence that he was telling the truth when he claimed to be the unique Son of God. And eventually, I discovered that there’s abundant historical evidence supporting the resurrection, as I set forth in my book The Case for Christ.

In short, I didn’t become a Christian because God promised I would have an even happier life than I had as an atheist. He never promised any such thing. Indeed, following him would inevitably bring divine demotions in the eyes of the world.

Rather, I became a Christian because the evidence was so compelling that Jesus really is the one-and-only Son of God who proved his divinity by rising from the dead. That meant following him was the most rational and logical step I could possibly take.
yeah I dont really like his reasoning. "basically I accepted jesus was trew" or "basically I realized I was going to hell for eternity"

oh was that all?

do these guys think of the words comming out of their mouths?

statements like these are hardly worthy of phrases like basically.

more like

"!!!fantastically I am convinced that god is sending human beings to a place of eternal torment!!!"

do these guys realize the weirdness of statements like this. What I eman is, why dont christians realize how weird the things they are saying are.

in what kind of world is it ok to say that "the normal state of affairs is that your creator is damning you to hell"


"and he loves you"

why, because hes offering a way out of hell?

isnt there something wrong with this dynamic?

please I need as many different versions of "yes there is sometihng wrong with this dynamic and here is what it is"

because time and time again people are acting like this is normal:

"Well gee, god did WARN you about hell"

yeah but thats like saying hitler may have warned poland to surrender or be invaded.

kinda like god wants us to surrender our hearts and minds to be invaded by him or else hell invade hell with us...

"but hes giving you a free gift of eternal life"

ok why cant life be normal, and death be normal and then we get a free gift of eternal life. as long as hell is normal, something is weird!
but the argument is that hell is the consequences of not being perfect like god, which I understand I see much evil in humans. but see... its like this. we have this polarity good and evil. God is up to the imagination. I Can imagine that if god wants to do something with us humans, he can do whatever he wants. (I may not like that, but I can accept it because if he has the poswer than he can do whatever he wants, its like me and an antpile)

so god could swing both ways and so unspeakable evil or unspeakable good for us.

so we throw all this into the random god generator and what does christianity give us?

a god that says "since you are not perfect like me, you get eternal hell unless you get my free gift!"

my problem is that ok, his logic makes sense according to his weird messed up personality.

but in my imagination that he gave me, in its ability to understand the infinite scale of good deeds and bad deeds.

i can imagine a god that would say

yeah, I know its weird that you are here on this sin filled earht, but I m gonna fix everything right now for you!

here you go. evertything is fixed, sorry you had to go through that time on earth living with all the suffering
Okay...I caught this on another thread. That answered my question.

posted by shadowman:
I have felt things when I read the bible. I have felt things when I pray to jesus. Sometimes good things, sometimes bad things. Sometimes hope, sometimes worry, sometimes dread, sometimes love or comfort, sometimes peace. sometimes uneasiness sometimes anxiousness
. most of the time Im not sure what exactly it is, and many times it is nothing at all

no I cant do all those things especially when I look at the world or interact with peoiple or think about life, and other countries, especially when I think about people suffering way more than I can imagine.

and a lot of these people dont believe, so screw em right

Don't stop talking to God.
A man that is not saved does not have the Holy Spirit of God. His sins keep him form experiencing God. Whatever imperfections and sins that he has will consume him, here and eternity after. Whatever vice a man harbors will become stronger and stronger. Liars will become bigger liars, the wrathful will become bigger ragers, the lustful will be consumed by their lusts, addicts will be slaves to their addictions, whatever one has idolized over God will overtake them. I've seen progression photos of this one girl taken over a period of several years and how she started out as a typical happy teenager but gradually digressed into drugs, prostitution, and crime until she looked like she was fifty, but barely into her twenties. (The Downward Spiral - don't worry, not offensive). I know I gave an extreme example. But it's a downward spiral for all of us unless Something pulls us out. Without God, our pet sins will consume us, and we all have our pet sins. Imagine what you would be like a hundred years into eternity immersed in your sinful condition, or a thousand years, or a million years. You will become something unrecognizable. You will be your own hell.

But God is the one that can change you so that your sins will not consume you. His Righteousness will sustain you, His Spirit will regenerate you, His Grace will abound more than your sin. That is why we need to come to Him, so that He can make us into new creatures, fit for His Presence. Otherwise, left alone, we doom ourselves into oblivion.