magick and religion

Discussion in 'Magick' started by bgruagach, Jan 26, 2004.

  1. Baud

    Baud Seeker of Knowledge

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    My understanding of Karma is that it's concept is more limited than the three-fold law (not to be understood in a negative sense). Karma (in short and as far as I know) is the principle that the current life is a part of a chain of lives (Samsara) of which the characteristics of each is determined by the acts perfromed (or not) in the previous ones. So in that sense Karma means that your current acts will influence your next life.

    Wiccans who believe in reincarnation would say that the three-fold law will obviously influence your next lifes, and in that sense, it could be said that the three-fold law includes the Karma principle as well. However, this is just incidental. The three-fold law will have consequences in this life (if you are mean to people, they will be mean to you tomorrow and the next day, whether you are alive or not), as well as possibly in the next.

    Moreover, I see an additional difference (and please people possibly more familiar with Karma than me correct me if I am wrong here). I have the impression that the Karma principle is in a sense more "structured" than the three-fold law. Karma "accumulates" good and bad things you have done and orients the reincarnation process in a certain direction based on that "package" (one could say, "the weighted average" of your deeds) that could actually cover an extremely long time. In a sense then, Karma is a continuously flowing principle. The three-fold law, in my opinion, has a more "punctual" effect. It happens more on a case-by-case basis (although not strictly speaking one by one), not over such a long period of time, and in a more "chaotic" way.

    Baud
     
  2. Susma Rio Sep

    Susma Rio Sep Well-Known Member

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    Professional hazards

    WHKeith writes:

    About Karma in general, of the bad vibration type:

    I have thought about that problem, and that is why I took care to state that public officials be the ones to do it, the cursing. And they should, even with the professional hazards involved, which is part of the bargain they entered into in assuming public office. Then no particular person can be returned with Karma, only public officials and then it's their professional hazards.

    Maybe they can use a computer of sorts, to act in the general name of the State, as in cases of criminal law where the State is the official complainant.

    Susma Rio Sep
     
  3. Jeremyw

    Jeremyw Member

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    I'm curious about the belief in the threefold law. Is it meant to be a strict law or a law of probability? Is it intentions that return as effects or is it actions or is it both? Are all bad things that happen to us caused by our own bad thoughts or behaviors? How would the law have applied to Hitler and Stalin who cause the immense suffering and deaths of millions?
     
  4. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercur├Žn Buddhist

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    I don't know about the threefold law, but I can offer you this from Buddhist scripture: it answers your questions.

    Dhammapada 1:1-6

    1. All that we are is the result of what we have thought: it is founded on our thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage.
    2. All that we are is the result of what we have thought: it is founded on our thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
    3. 'He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,'--in those who harbour such thoughts hatred will never cease.
    4. 'He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,'--in those who do not harbour such thoughts hatred will cease.
    5. For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by love, this is an old rule.
    6. The world does not know that we must all come to an end here;--but those who know it, their quarrels cease at once.
     

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