Hi juantoo3,
I refrained my discussion because I was not sure if it was prudent to talk about it here.
juantoo3 said:
Kindest Regards, neoxenos!Very well. Yet, I am still confused. I understood you earlier to imply that creation is done within a dream. Do I understand you to mean that God creates a fresh new universe for every child that is created by sexual means, as well as every time "He" happens to dream? A great deal of all of this seems merely symbolic to me. Are there other ways and means of creation?
Yes and No. Yes, for every creation, not a dream though. God does not dream because one who dreams is full of darkness, and God is Light itself.
If, for example, we build something out of clay, we formulate it mentally first, then we bring it into physical reality through movements of our hands. So, everything physical first existed mentally, everything physical has a mental precursor. Now, mind is a type of matter, or energy, because they are the same thing. We can say that physical matter is a condensed form of energy. But there is mental matter is well, which is still a condensation of energy, but not as much, the mind is a type of crystallization of energy, but it is less rigid crystallization than physical matter. Think of it this way, liquid water is condensed water vapor, and ice is crystallization/condensation of liquid water, yet, all three forms are the same thing. So what is mind? It is matter, just like a table or a computer is made of matter, it is the same energy, but much more volant. What is energy? It is the First Fiat, it is the phenomena of the universal noumena. It is that Astral Light of the Alchemists, it is the Divine Fire, that energy released by burning a match... we release that fire from within the wood, because that fire is already there, what we call burning is the release of that fire from within the element that is burning.
If we lived consciously in the Word of the Mind, which we could term a Parallel Universe that co-exists and co-penetrates with this physical world without trouble or confusion, then we could sit at a mental chair and hold a cup of mental tee as if it were physical, because, as we can say, the fish does not see the water it is in. If we were within the Mental Body, a body of mental flesh and bones, then everything would seem as it does here, because it is all relative.
Beyond the Mind is the energy of the Consciousness, which is more subtle and less condensed, and beyond that is The Reality, Atman, and beyond that is the Illuminating Void, the Anatman, and beyond that is the Non Manifested, the Ain Soph. So it all comes from the same source, each type the energy becomes more complex and thus more rigid. This complexity is the cause of mistakes and suffering, as we raise our Level of Being we experience forms of energy that are less complex and therefore it is more happy. That is Nirvana, Para-Nirvana, or Supra-Nirvana, or, we can call various degrees of Happiness the Nine Heavens...
Or am I to understand that the creation process in general is analogous to sex? The generating principle acting upon the incubating principle? (The Big Bang as a cosmic orgasm?
) And that only one instance at the cosmic level is required for the existence of all we know and understand?
There are Seven levels of Cosmos. A cosmos is a complete Creation, but there are seven recursive levels:
Protocosmos - The Infinitie - Do
Ayocosmos - Spiritual Sun - Si
Macrocosmos - Galaxy - La
Deuterocosmos - Solar System - Sol
Mesocosmos - Planet - Fa
Microcosmos - Physical Body - Mi
Tritocosmos - The Inferno - Re
The True Human is a Microcosmos, the one who has built a Cosmos within. The seven days of Genesis need to be played out within to create our internal paradise. The psyche is a Universe that, through much struggle and effort, must be known completely, if one wishes to return to Eden. If you come to know your internal cosmos you will know the external cosmos.
“Oh man, know thyself and you shall know the Gods and Goddesses.”
The Hu-Manas, or Spirit-Mind, has little to do with these physical bodies we have, the true Spirit-Mind is the Atman, the Being, that is the
Hu-Manas Being, these phsycial bodies are just the inferior end of That Being.
And for clarification, which? Dream, or sex? Dreaming of sex? Or perhaps sexual fantasy? Or something altogether different?
I think it is best to see in a bit different terms. God can be seen as the Intelligent Principle. By sex as means of creation we should think of the Masculine Principle and the Feminine Principle conjoining to produce, for example in the Bible, the The White Dove of the Holy Spirit: that which fecundates. The physical analogue to these principles is Man and Woman, and the physical analogue to the creation of a Cosmos is the sexual act.
God creates with the Word. The Gospel of John is the Gospel of the Word.
In the beginning was the Word (Father), and the Word was with God (Son), and the Word was God (Holy Spirit). In Genesis, God said, “Let there be light.” The Divine Word creates. The word comes from the larynx, which we know is connected to our sexuality because when a boy or girl grows up their voice matures, so the larynx is connected with sexuality. The Word of God comes from the larynx of God, who is both Male and Female at the same time. In Revelations, the voice of God is a voice of “many waters,” and in this sense it is saying that it is very fecund. The Holy Spirit is related with the Waters, it is creation, the Waters is the Sexual Waters, the principle of vitality. When Jesus walked on the Waters he is telling us that he was able to control the Sexual Waters. This is why the Voice of God separates the Waters of Life in Genesis. In synthesis, the Divine Larynx is a uterus that fecundates the Word, because it has been made fertile by the Waters of Life, and the Word itself is Creation. Jehovah Elohim can be seen in the following way: Jah-Hava, Father-Mother, and Elohim, which is a Masculine root with a Feminine plural ending: Gods and Goddesses. This is why it is better to say that Jehovah Elohim is hovering over the waters and not just “God.”
Can you see the confusion your position creates in one not familiar with it?
I mean no disrespect, but I do not understand. Without rational clarity, this philosophy is difficult to place in context, and difficult to view with validity.
I did not view your post as hostile, merely dogmatic. Some form of core belief is to be expected. Dogmatic insistence in superiority is another matter. Around here we call that "fundamentalism." I sincerely hope you are not fundamentalist, that is, I hope you are tolerant of other's faiths and positions, and that you will not mind other's questions to better understand your faith and position.
I will look forward to your posts, welcome once again!
I understand now how I appeared. Thank you for telling me that. Dogma is ignorant and it is not something I wish to spread. Free will is a right of God, and everyone has a right to believe whatever they wish.
Thank you for the welcome. Hopefully this will make some sense, although I know it quite a lot!
