Discussion in 'Alternative' started by greymare, Feb 29, 2008.
dammit, you read my mind. LOL.
(Im sooooo funny, tonight, )
I knew you would be...
I had this premonition....
"insert the music from the twilight zone" here. LOL
I agree that there is some sort of collective consciousness. What gets interesting is how/why certain groups of people experience bits and pieces as if it is [one of] their lives, while others experience other bits and pieces, and some experience nothing whatsoever.
I don't think anyone really understands how all this works- how time itself really works- and so can piece together what is going on. The possibilities are so numerous: is it a past life? a future life? a time loop? all happening at once in various multiverses and the me here is communicating with the me over there? And on and on. Interesting but fruitless to debate.
I can say definitively, in my own life-
I have had dreams and visions that feel like memories, and are shared in detail with strangers.
I have met strangers that I felt I knew and/or felt destined to meet.
I know people who have precognition and/or retrocognition, including about events that had nothing to do with their lives. Some people use this to help solve crimes, etc.
Then there's your usual deja vu feeling.
And all of that feels different from emotional energetic entanglement, as you put it. I'm really sensitive to energy- in people/crowds, places, objects. There is a difference between this energetic impact and what seems like memories. Emotion is attached to both, but memories of past lives are like memories in this life, especially like early childhood memories- with some fuzziness around the events and details until you carefully reflect/meditate on it- and with some parts more clear than others. That's pretty different from the energetic impact I sense when I'm a concert or religious event or anything like that. It's also different from the energetic signature (for lack of better term) that I sense in places that have had major historical impacts (battlegrounds, arenas, old churches, etc.). Places retain a sort of memory of their own, but I see this more as an energy signature- these don't involve me. It's a feeling/sense I get by being in the energy of the place. The people I know with retrocognition go one step further and basically see a video in their mind of what had happened.
In what feels like past life memories, I am an actor in the memory. I know who I am, what I did, where I lived, and who I knew. I remember my role in things, not just the event unfolding around me. Still could be just some amazing storyline I share with some other people for no real reason. Also, given that time is not linear (we only experience it as such), could be a future life or a sideways/simultaneous life or whatever. My point being, it is just plain different categorically from energetic exchange. I've sensed both for years, and the two are quite distinctive to me (and many others I have talked to that have past life memories).
Just my 2 cents. Of course, anything I say will be tainted by my own experience, as will be anyone else's views. This is why such things aren't really debatable, but make for interesting conversation.
Liken this to a killer, some have a conscious and aware of the pain and ill regard imposed, others are hardened and choose not to observe. Likewise some people are open to opinions and ideas that increase capacity to comprehend. Blinders can be imposed by what is accepted rather than true.
But to trust any concept of God, then as time passes, eventually ‘it’ will be understood. “knowledge evolves” Try and idea…… mass, energy, time …. No measurement/description can exist without the other.
As you read an old book, you are observing the works or previous lives; may or may not be of your lineage but in each case, of period(s) where your lineage existed. So you are in fact entangled to all of it.
Friend, each person is capable but it is your honesty to having observed and willing to discuss, that is good. And faith has no method of describing these occurrences but in reality there is a form…. Then to observe this reality shares how prophecies even exist.
Again, honesty and integrity is paramount for any 2 to associate within good.
Them signatures of energy do exist and do affect the consciousness of each but again it is of humbly observing and keeping into perspective whether the sight is true or of desires. For example; when someone observes a moment of dejavu, there is no choice of the matter…… but any can observe an event and wish up an idea of the outcome… still as you humbly pointed out we simply experience the event and assess what it is we observe as if too simply ‘experience the change in time.’
Regarding past lives, I think there's every bit as much evidence for them as there is for the existence of extra-terrestrial civilizations, the fact that such civilizations have been visiting us for aeons (but especially so in the past few decades), and for the existence of the Soul, of a pantheon of loving, guiding supra-human Intelligences, etc. It's just up to us to take the leap of faith that's sometimes required to cross from one bank of the stream to the other. It doesn't always come in one swift motion, either. But a rock here and there can help us once again to get in touch with the Firmament.
I recall one shared dream experience during college. That was a good 16 years ago, when I was 20, and when I was a bit more open to new experiences ... and less prone to filter what I experienced through the "corrective" lens(es) of what I've since learned, come to understand, and make Sacred in my life. Amazing how there can be connections, across 16 years, while in other respects even moment to moment seems like an eternity.
It was during the summer, while I was taking a World Religions class in the philosophy dept. I woke up with a distinct memory of having been visiting, and discussing (something) at length with Maurice, someone in my class. I had never met Maurice, and didn't know him from Eve. But I sure as hell recalled his face & personality clearly from the dream. At the time, I did have some idea of what we had been talking about, but I temporarily forgot the specifics of the conversation when I awoke, because I didn't see any overwhelming need to remember it.
During class, however, I felt some kind of inner prompting, and the dream came to mind when I saw Maurice. I couldn't let it drop, and I felt certain that I was just "meant" to speak to him about it. [I hadn't ever spoken directly to this guy ... before that day.]
So you know, I'm thinking, "Ok, he's gonna figure I'm wacked out, or that I'm trying to be funny," but I also said ... What the hell! So I mentioned the dream to Maurice, and said a few words about the subject of our conversation - which came back to me at the time - and the expression on this guy's face was something for the camera. It was uncanny, that's all I can say - uncanny - to see him recognize every single thing I was saying, and nod, and say things like, "Yeah, and then YOU said ---, and I said ----," etc.
Float around your brain chemistry mysteries ... that's neat stuff to explore, and sure, it's one of the several valid areas of investigation -- while simultaneously it is fascinating to acknowledge the meetings like this in the Astral World (and subtler worlds) which take place every single night, involving every single one of us. I remember these from childhood sometimes, and I know - as some of you do - that they are just as `objective' as the asphalt you drive to work on each day.
And of course, for the person who has experienced telepathy - direct, either brain to brain, or if you've been fortunate, from mind to mind -- such a person cannot, and will never again, doubt ... the objectivity of these things.
We may not always be able to explain them, but what if we could? How does that help, except to recognize that paranormal abilities, and other states of consciousness, most definitely fit into the Grander Scheme of things. And as part of a Greater Cause, it may be that in not so many years time these phenonmena are studied as objectively as are the "social sciences" of psychology and sociology today. Let us at least hope so.
Sometimes, it's good to acknowledge the world(s) that we don't fully understand. Sometimes, however humbling it may be - even a little intimidating ... it's the only thing that keeps us human!
Hi, Andrew. It's nice to read you again.
Would you classify this phenomenon as analogous to the mechanisms associated with prayer, or would you classify it as an unrelated phenomenon?
My short answer is that I think it could really go both ways.
In many cases, such as the ones I've listed, I certainly wasn't consciously *trying* to have these experiences, so I don't think you could say this is like intentional prayer. Past life memories have come to me in pretty much the same way -- serendipitously.
On the other hand, there are plenty of people who seek for, and find, past life memories, OOBEs (Out-Of-Body-Experiences), and telepathic or other psychic experiences. For at least some of these people I am absolutely certain that many parallels can be drawn to the mechanisms of prayer.
I am certain of this because *some* of my own experiences also meet this criteria, overlapping with the spontaneous (or more Mystical?) type.
taijasi, well, that was an interesting encounter you had with Maurice. But , funny as it seems it doesnt seem to be unusual. to me, i read your post and that experience should be totally natural. i know its not, but for some reason im thinking that it should be. interesting........ when you dont go looking for stuff............ bang......... it finds you. eh???
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