Who Understands why Israel was created?

[Bishadi]

Was it because it was a nice thing to do to Palestine?

Was it because the globe thought it was just a nice thing to do after WWII?

Was it because there was no place else for them (Jewish refugees) to go?

Was it because they deserved their own 'homeland'?

or it possible, just maybe, that they believed it was a right by God?

Who can help some of the others on the forum understand why Israel exists?

 

[seattlegal]

Who Understands why Israel was created?

Who understands why this thread was created in the religion section instead of the politics section?

 

[Bishadi]

Who understands why this thread was created in the religion section instead of the politics section?

the creation of Israel is of a religious intent,

within a conflict between 2 Abrahamic sects. (Judaism/Islam).....

and the question shares that purely; Israel was created as a religious state.

 

[seattlegal]

the creation of Israel is of a religious intent,

within a conflict between 2 Abrahamic sects. (Judaism/Islam).....

and the question shares that purely; Israel was created as a religious state.

Political strife masquerading as religion. Oh boy!

 

[Netti-Netti]

Who understands why this thread was created in the religion section instead of the politics section?

Errr, where's the history section?

The first wave of Jewish migration- known as the First Aliyah - dates back to 1881. This migration was part of a much larger trend of literally millions of people leaving Eastern and Central Europe, many of them in the hope of escaping extreme rural poverty and rough, overcrowded urban environments. Note, however, that many migrating Jews did not to go the Palestine. Instead, they settled in the Americas.

There were also large scale emigrations from predominately Jewish regions of old Russia, which appear to have been driven by both economic and social pressures.

These were very difficult times for Jews and non-Jewish alike, with economic difficulties that were complicated in some areas by overpopulation. For Jewish people, the situation seems to have given rise to a nostalgia for the Holy Land and a desire to repair the world within a manageable geographic region.

I suppose one could call it "religious intent" when Jews wanted an alternative to homelessness for themselves as well as a chance to provide refuge for other homeless Jews from Eastern and Central Europe and old Russia while at the same time raising the standard of life of Jews who were just barely hanging on in Jerusalem.

The promixal cause for the creation of Israel as a nation state was a United Nations action in November of 1947.

 

[Eclectic Mystic]

the creation of Israel is of a religious intent,

Bishadi,

This is objectively a political issue. It may or may not be a religious issue, but it would not be as objective to put it that way. You have to admit that.

 

[brucegdc]

Definitely politics, and moved there. Questions about the faith are one thing, questions about the creation of the state quite another.

 

[Netti-Netti]

the creation of Israel is of a religious intent

I'm not so sure a religious intent was particularly relevant to the actual nation-building process. In fact, there were movements within the Jewish community that opposed religious nationalism. You can be all for cultural autonomy and Jewish identity without seeing the need for a Jewish nation state.

Even now, there is considerable controversy on the national identity issue, particularly with respect to Israel being recognized as a "religious state." It is unclear whether the average Israeli cares about that.

I don't know about the scale of it, but there is a Jewish Anti-Zionists movement that opposes the existence of Israel as a Jewish (religious) state.

 

[China Cat Sunflower]

It had to do with propping up the ailing olive wood figurine carving industry.
Chris

 

[Raksha]

the creation of Israel is of a religious intent,

within a conflict between 2 Abrahamic sects. (Judaism/Islam).....

and the question shares that purely; Israel was created as a religious state.

Bishadi,

Only problem is, in the Middle East religion and politics are so tangled up that hell wouldn't have 'em (and hell is welcome to them). It becomes very difficult to say where one leaves off and the other begins. It's bad enough when you're talking about two Islamic sects (Sunni and Shiite Islam) but when you have to deal with the religious/political struggles of two different Abrahamic religions, such as Judaism and/or Christianity and Islam, it gets that much worse...especially when the country under discussion is Israel!

Theoretically, the United States of America has separation of Church and State written into its Constitution, but as I indicated to you on the Interfaith board, certain religious groups in this country are deliberately trying to cross the "line of separation" in their quest for what they believe to be "fulfillment of biblical prophecy." Sometimes the motive for meddling in the Middle East really is religiously motivated, and other times it's pure greed and lust for power masquerading as religion.

These are mostly Christian fundamentalists, but they play into the hands of Jewish neocons (religious and secular) who are bare-faced imperialists. No other word for 'em.

--Linda

 

[Raksha]

Bishadi,

You might also want to check out this thread on the Interfaith board:
http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/attacks-on-islam-by-christian-3577.html

It's an older thread (started in 2005) but it gives a pretty accurate picture of the tendency by American right-wing Christians to vilify Islam, especially after 9/11. From what I saw, it's kind of tense but there are still the beginnings of a fairly decent interfaith dialogue, as opposed to the usual shouting match.

--Linda

 

[GlorytoGod]

Maybe its to fulfill Biblical Prophecy ? or something like that

 

[Tao_Equus]

Maybe its to fulfill Biblical Prophecy ? or something like that

So sayeth the Nostradamus quatrains and the inkblot type stain on my last used bit of loo roll.

tao

 

[Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine]

Maybe its to fulfill Biblical Prophecy ? or something like that

Actually, it is because of a phenomenon I call the "Not In My Backyard" phenomenon, along with the idea of the "British government" at the time to create a destablizing force in the Middle East (possibly to "reinforce" the "need" for British forces to be in that particular part of the world [see what's happening in Iraq? That is because the PtBs in England threw together three not-so-friendly ethno-religious groups {Shiite and Sunni Muslims and Kurds} into an artificially created country.])

The "Not In My Backyard" is because there was a need for a place for the survivors of the concentration camps who lost their homes (some up to a decade prior to their releases) or the people who would've been displaced if the Jewish survivors returned to their old homes (if the buildings were still standing.) On top of that, the survivors would've been constant reminders of What Had Happened, moreso than the destruction of so many places and the occupation of Germany by Allied forces. Many Europeans didn't want the reminders of their occupation by the Germans, but they knew that the survivors needed somewhere to go.

Think of it like a convicted sex offender has just been released from prison. It doesn't matter what the offense was (whether it was "flashing" or multiple counts of first-degree sexual assault) s/he needs a place to live. Where's the offender going to live? The neighbors need to be told of the person's presence, but if they are told, the response is most likely "We don't want him/her here! S/He belongs somewhere else!" (aka "Not In My Backyard!")

Sorry about the essay (possibly worthy of WHKeith.)

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

 

[omprem]

The invasion and occupation of Palestine by the Zionists was the outcome of a process begun in 1897 that centered on greed, immorality and a mistaken literal interpretation of the Torah. Zionists misrepresented "Israel", "Zion' and "the promised land" as real estate instead of a state of God Consciousness in order to daub a veneer of respectability on their greed and rapaciousness.

 

[omprem]

Bishadi,

Only problem is, in the Middle East religion and politics are so tangled up that hell wouldn't have 'em (and hell is welcome to them). It becomes very difficult to say where one leaves off and the other begins. --Linda

The problem of Israel is very simple and consists entirely of the decision by a bunch of Jews to invade and occupy the lands of the Palestinians killing or deporting hundreds of thousands of those Palestinians in order to have their land, water and personal assets as their own.

Everything else is an attempt by the Jews either to justify and expand their occupation or to kill Palestinian resistance to the theft of their homes.

 

[bananabrain]

omprem,

i am all for sensible discussion but this particular issue has been discussed ad nauseam by far more reasonable people than yourself. your point of view adds nothing to this debate and you are not helping anyone, least of all the palestinians. all you are doing is repeating a list of tendentious, bigoted accusations and i'm not interested in discussing this with anyone so obviously close-minded.

b'shalom

bananabrain

 

[Dogbrain]

The problem of Israel is very simple

That's the usual approach of any narrow-minded totalitarian. "The problem is simple and consists entirely of bad people doing somethng bad, so let's kill all the bad people."

 

[Dogbrain]

Think of it like a convicted sex offender has just been released from prison.

How sweet, comparing Jewish refugees to convicted sex offenders...

 

[Tao_Equus]

How sweet, comparing Jewish refugees to convicted sex offenders...

I think if you think Israel does not encourage all the very worst kinds of immigrants, including sex offenders, then you have no concept of the true picture.


tao